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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. What need I? When your self gave no more unto him, then as the Speakers office, in the former assembly: wherein yet he did most. For you said, gthat he proposed an election to be made of a new Apostle into the room of Judas. And this was all that you might say, and say truly, by the story of the Acts. Which showeth, that not he, but hthey mad• the election: so far as it was lawful for them to deal with that which God was to order extraordinarily. As for the other assembly, when the Council was held at Jerusalem: you cannot prove that he had so much as the office of a Speaker therein. Your iDoctor infeoffeth him (I grant) with more: namely, that *he speaketh first of all, concludeth, yea, and is President too. But what will not he dare to affirm? who, in so great light of the Scriptures, affirmeth in writing that which is flat against them. For he saith that Peter not only speaketh first, but concludeth also. And they show that both kthere had been much debating and reasoning of the matter, before Peter spake: and after he had spoken, lBarnabas, and Paul and mJames spake, and so nthe Council did conclude the matter. Yea they did conclude it according to the very words that James spake, and oa special point of his, which Peter touched not. So that, if we would strive but lawfully against it, for which you strive unlawfully:p the likely-hood is rather that James sat as President in the Coū cell, then Peter, sith both he spake last and the whole Council did conclude with him. But, to yield unto you (for your most advantage) as much or more then any likely-hood may afford you, that Peter was not only the Speaker but the President in both the assemblies: yet are you no nearer unto that supremacy which you shoot at. For, such a Presidentship as Peter had amongst the Apostles, is so far from the Prelatship which the Pope seeketh to have amongst Bishops: that, if we should offer him all that Peter had (at your request) upon condition that he would accept it and ask no more then it: he would think we mocked him, and give you little thanks who take upon you to be his advocate, & make so poor a plea for him. This you may perceive by an other advocate, who made the same plea for him out of this story, a learned