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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. I did not take Duaren for the strength of mine answer, but the holy scriptures, the same that you alleged. By the text and circumstances whereof, I made it plain, that Peter had no higher power in the assemblies of the Apostles: than hath either the Speaker of our English Parliament, or, (to make the most of it) the President of a court of Parliament in France, which is Duarenes similitude. Howbeit, if I should have used his authority to confirm it, as well as I alleged his words to open it: you might not reject such a man so lightly. For sa gardiner (as the proverb is) hath spoken oft to very good purpose: & tJethro saw more in somewhat then Moses. And Duaren, though a Lawyer, yet was not only skilful of the civil law (which is a great help notwithstanding of wisdom in matters touching government:) but also of the Canon, whereof you may vouchsafe to count as of Divinity; doubtless your Divinity will be cold without it. Beside, he wrote that treatise to instruct students in the Canon law, which is the fortress of the Papacy: and he so delivereth the chiefest points of it, that Lawyers amongst the Protestants were offended & uwrote against him for it. But now (thus you reward men) it is called in question, whether ⟨p. 156⟩that he were a Catholic or no. I assure you, if you beware not, you will make honest and well affected hearts afraid to be Catholics; such, as you mean by that word. For if a man keep within any bounds of modesty and truth, & will not run headlong with you through thick & thin: you will account of him, either as an Heretic, or as one that savoureth of heresy at least. But who are the Fathers, whom you pretend against Duaren, to prove your supremacy out of those places of the Acts?
Rainoldes. I did not take Duaren for the strength of mine answere, but the holy scriptures, the same that you alleaged. By the text and circumstances whereof, I made it plaine, that Peter had no higher power in the assemblies of the Apostles: thē hath either the Speaker of our English Parlament, or, (to make the most of it) the President of a court of Parlament in France, which is Duarenes similitude. Howbeit, if I should haue vsed his authoritie to confirme it, as well as I alleaged his wordes to open it: you might not reiect such a man so lightly. For