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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. If I should ask what Fathers say it of actual sin: hard for you to name them. As for original: your own rCanus showeth *they all say the contrary. But if many said it: yet you may see by this, which I have showed of Chrysostom, what broken reeds you lean on, when you lean on such reasons: Chrysostom doth say so; therefore it is so. And, if [other fathers] be of as good credit to win you from others, unto a point of truth, as to a point of error: then will you be as ready to leave his opinion in this point of Peter, as you have been to leave it in it of the virgin. For a number of Fathers, even a whole 5Council of Bishops of Africa (together with S Cyprian) do write that Peter did 1according to the les•ons and precepts of God, in that he proposed unto the disciples the ordaining of an Apostle in the room of Judas, to the end they might deal 2by common advise and ⟨p. 160⟩voice therein. Wherefore, if you have Fathers in such regard, as you pretend, and do rather follow the consent of many, then the mind of one (which is *your own rule) in exposition of scriptures: you must yield that Peter might not have done that which Chrysostom saith, he might; unless, you will say, that he might do that, whereof he was commanded and taught the contrary by God. But, if this opinion be so rooted in you, that reason cannot weed it out: wonder not at me who, beside the scripture, have Fathers more then you have, and therefore (by your judgement) the exposition of the Fathers. Wonder at your self: who having neither of them stand against them both. Wonder at your Doctor: who having undertaken to prove the Supremacy by that, which Peter did in the Acts of the Apostles, telleth what he might have done by Chrysostoms supposal. Wonder at your Pope: who building on the word, not of God, but of man, and finding mans foundation over-weak too, doth not practise that which Chrysostom commendeth in the fact of Peter, but doth challenge that which Chrysostom imagineth of the right of Peter.