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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. Yes, he is our head: but he is such a head, that your head of Rome had rather you should loose your head, then you should so behead his power. I told you so much *before in effect: and made it plain unto you by Duarens similitude of the President of a court of Parliament in France, named the head of the court. You might have conceived the same of our President: and thought his headship as unfit for the proof of your purpose, as you thought the other. For he is bound to statutes: by them we send him out, and ask account of that he doth. No statutes bind your Pope: but his lust is his law; and what he will, that is holy. We may deprive our President if he should commit any heinous crime, as murder, or adultery. Your Pope, although he be as wilful a murderer, and as notorious an adulterer as Pope pJohn the twelfth, yea, though he be taken in most horrible incests, and villainies of all sorts: yet a Council may not depose him, no not the Emperor with a Council. It is true that Otho the Emperor did depose him in a Council assembled of purpose thereunto. But your *Doctors tell us that the Emperor did it qde facto, not de jure; rof a good zeal, not according to knowledge. Wherefore I would not have you to use these similitudes, of Presidents in Colleges, & Mayors in Cities, & heads in Corporations. Or, if you will use them, yet use them to the simple, whom such similitudes may deceive: but use them not to us, who see the dissimilitude of them, and can (by Gods grace) discern a fish from a serpent. Do you think your self, I pray, in good sooth, that Peter (in the Acts of the Apostles) was as Pope, and the rest of the Apostles as the College of Cardinals?
Rainoldes. Yes, he is our head: but he is such a head, that your head of Rome had rather you should loose your head, then you should so behead his power. I tolde you so much *before in effect: and made it plaine vnto you by Duarens similitude of the President of a court of Parlament in France, named the head of the court. You might haue conceiued the same of our President: and thought his headship as vnfit for the proofe of your purpose, as you thought the other. For he is bound to statutes: by them we send him out, and aske account of that he dooth. No statutes binde your Pope: but his lust is his law; and what hée will, that is holy. We may depriue our President if he shoulde commit any heinous crime, as murther, or adultery. Your Pope, although he be as wilfull a murtherer, and as notorious an adulterer as Pope