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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. Whither that the faith of the Church of Rome, which you call Popery, be the Catholic faith or no: because it is the later part of our conference, concerning one faith; I will not confound it with this of one head. But what do you mean to say that the words of Vincentius, which I cited, disprove not ⟨p. 188⟩your assertion, nor make against you more then us? when he saith, that heretics do allege the scripture, as also did the Devil: and you allege it too, and think it a sufficient fence of your opinions.
Hart. Whither that the faith of the Church of Rome, which you call Popery, be the Catholike faith or no: because it is the later part of our conference, concerning one faith; I will not confound it with this of one head. But what doo you meane to say that the wordes of Vincentius, which I cited, disproue not ⟨p. 188⟩your assertion, nor make against you more then vs? when hée saith, that heretikes doo alleage the scripture, as also did the Deuill: and you alleage it too, and thinke it a sufficient fense of your opinions.
Rainoldes. So do you allege it too: do you not? And what is there against us, in those words, more then against you? would you not laugh at me, if I should reason thus: Heretics allege scripture; so do the Papists too: therefore they are heretics? qThe Devil alleged scripture: so doth the Pope too: therefore he is the Devils scholar?
Rainoldes. So doo you alleage it too: doo you not? And what is there against vs, in those wordes, more then against you? would you not laugh at me, if I should reason thus: Heretikes alleage scripture; so doo the Papists too: therefore they are heretikes? qThe Deuill alleaged scripture: so dooth the Pope too: therefore he is the Deuils scholer?