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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. The cause why Vincentius affirmeth, that heresies when they are spread far, 1and have long continued, are to be confuted by the scriptures only, not by consent of Fathers: is that (which he doth point too) of endeavouring to corrupt the writings of the Fathers; a common practise of heresies, if occasion and time serve them. But there is no colour why therefore ⟨p. 195⟩you should refuse to deal with us by the consent of Fathers. For, neither are the doctrines which we profess, heresies, much less old and ample heresies, such as he speaketh of: nor have we endeavoured to corrupt the writings of the Fathers, nay, we have kept them, and endeavour daily to set them forth most perfectly. But your heresies in deed, although they sprang of late, and may be counted new and green; yet have they endeavoured to corrupt the Fathers since, and have done it. *The practise of Erasmus is famous therein. Of whom to say nothing what censures have been given by other worthy men, whom Torrensis nameth: Marian Victorius, in Commentaries that he set forth upon the former three tomes of S. Jerome, reproveth most learnedly more then six hundred errors thrust into them by Erasmus, either in expounding, or ill correcting them. And Torrensis, in his preface to the Confession of S. Austin, declareth sundry books to be S. Austins own, which Erasmus had noted as falsely fathered on him. Wherefore, if by Vincentius you mind to touch them, who endeavour to corrupt the writings of the Fathers: cast out the beam out of your own eye, before you seek a m•at• in ours.
Hart. The cause why Vincentius affirmeth, that heresies when they are spread far, 1and haue long continued, are to be confuted by the scriptures onely, not by consent of Fathers: is that (which he dooth point too) of endeuouring to corrupt the writings of the Fathers; a common practise of heresies, if occasion and time serue them. But there is no colour why therefore ⟨p. 195⟩