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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Whereupon we give it for an essential mark (as I may term it) of the Church, by which the Church is surely known and discerned. But the show ⟨p. 193⟩of Gods word is such in many heretics, (as of reason in brute beasts,) that some, who have no skill to discern that mark, do think it impossible to know the Church by it. nYour fellows hereupon describe the Church by outward and accidental marks: as namely, by antiquity, succession, consent. These are very plausible, and many do commend them highly. But he that hath half an eye of a Philosopher, I mean a wise Christian: need not play Diogenes in plucking feathers off, to show that these marks may agree to a capon. Now, as they deal with the marks of the Church: so do you, M. Hart, with the marks of the truth. Not Vincentius, but you, who cover your errors with the name of Vincentius: and take things, as necessary, and sure proofs of truth, which he did note, as probable, and likely tokens of it only. For he delivered them, not as never failing, but as holding often: and such, as albeit they do hit sometimes, yet do they miss sometimes also. Whereof him self is witness, in that he disproveth them: the first, universality, by the example of the oArians, and pflieth from it to antiquity: the second, antiquity, by the example of the qDonatists, and rflieth from it to consent.
Whereupon we giue it for an essential marke (as I may terme it) of the Church, by which the Church is surely known and discerned. But the shew ⟨p. 193⟩of Gods word is such in many heretikes, (as of reason in brute beastes,) that some, who haue no skill to discerne that marke, doo thinke it impossible to know the Church by it. n