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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. But the third, consent, she speaketh of as never failing; as a necessary token, to know and try the truth by; as an essential mark, and proper to the points of Catholic faith and truth. And this is the mark which chiefly I regarded when I alleged Vincentius: that our questions might be tried by the consent of the Fathers.
Hart. But the third, consent, she speaketh of as neuer failing; as a necessarie token, to know and trie the truth by; as an essentiall marke, and proper to the pointes of Catholike faith and truth. And this is the marke which chiefly I regarded when I alleaged Vincentius: that our questions might be tried by the consent of the Fathers.
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Rainoldes. In deed he preferreth this mark before the rest, as having held when they failed. Nevertheless he speaketh not so of it neither, as that it may serve for trial and decision of questions between us. For what doth he acknowledge to be a point approved, & such as we are bound to believe, by this mark? Even 1that, which the Fathers all with one consent, have held, written, taught, plainly, commonly, continually. And who can avouch of any point in question, that not one or two, but all the Fathers held it; nor only held it, but also wrote it; nor only wrote it, but also taught it; not darkly, but plainly; not seldom, but commonly; not for a short season, but continually. Which so great consent is partly so rare, and hard to be found; partly so unsure, though it might be found: that thim self (to ⟨p. 194⟩