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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Rainoldes. Counterfeits are counterfeits, though they go thorough twenty hands. Al these, whom you name out of Harpsfieldes Cope, did live long after Thomas: and seem to have alleged S. Cyril on his credit, as Cope himself doth also. Wherefore I could not think that they had been the coiners of that which was before they were. But Thomas is the first, with whom I find the words: and therefore greatest reason to lay the fault on him, unless he show from whom he had them. At least, seeing I know the words are not Cyril's, whose Thomas saith they be: I did him no injury (I trust) when I said, that either he received them at some coiners hands, or coined them him self.
Rainoldes. Counterfeites are counterfeites, though they go thorough twenty hands. Al these, whom you name out of Harpsfieldes Cope, did liue long after Thomas: and séeme to haue alleaged S. Cyrill on his credit, as Cope himselfe doth also. Wherefore I could not think that they had béene the coiners of yt which was before they were. But Thomas is the first, with whom I finde the words: and therefore greatest reason to laie the fault on him, vnlesse he shew from whom he had them. At least, séeing I know the words are not Cyrils, whose Thomas saith they be: I did him no iniurie (I trust) when I said, that either he receiued them at some coyners handes, or coyned them him selfe.
Hart. Although the words are not to be found now in those parts of Cyril's treasure, which are extant: yet that is not sufficient to prove, that either Thomas or some other forged them. For iMelchior Canus affirmeth that heretics have maimed that book, and have razed out all those things which therein pertained to the Popes authority. Which same thing to be done by them in the Commentaries of Theophylact upon John: the Catholics have found, and showed.
Hart. Although the wordes are not to be found now in those partes of Cyrils treasure, which are extant: yet that is not sufficient to proue, that either Thomas or some other forged them. For i