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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. The primacy of order is a colourable show, whereby you may avoid S. Matthew. But Austin and Cyprian cannot be so avoided. For their words are witnesses, they meant a farther primacy: and what should that be, but a primacy of power? Which because they learned (as it is likely) out of S. Matthew: thereof do I gather, that S. Matthew meant a primacy of power, and not of order only.
Hart. The primacie of order is a colourable shew, wherby you may auoid S. Matthew. But Austin and Cyprian cannot be so auoided. For their wordes are witnesses, they meant a farther primacie: and what should that be, but a primacie of power? Which because they learned (as it is likely) out of S. Matthew: therof do I gather, that S. Matthew meant a primacie of power, and not of order onely.
Rainoldes. And because S. Matthew, (as it is more likely) meant not a primacy of power to one there, where nhe showeth that Christ gave the same power to all the Apostles: thereof do I gather that he meant a primacy of order only, not of power. ⟨p. 221⟩But Austin and Cyprian meant a farther primacy, you say. Perhaps they did. Therefore a primacy in power? It doth not follow. Nay, it is manifest, they meant it not of power. oFor Austin doth build it upon the ground of Cyprian: and pCyprian doth teach, that Christ gave 1equal power to all the Apostles. The truth is, they meant a primacy in calling: to wit, that 2the Lord did choose Peter first, as q