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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Hart. By a reason, which I ground upon the likeness and proportion of the Church of Christ to the children of Israel. For if the Israelites had a high Priest to be their judge in matters of difficulty and doubt, between blood and blood, between cause & cause, between plague and plague: why should not we semblably have a hie Priest to be the judge in our causes?
Hart. By a reason, which I ground vpon the likenes and proportion of the Church of Christ to the children of Israell. For if the Israelites had a high Priest to be their iudge in matters of difficultie and doubt, betweene blood and blood, betweene cause & cause, betweene plague and plague: why should not we semblably haue a hie Priest to bée the iudge in our causes?
Rainoldes. This reason is drawn from a similitude: that, as it was amongst the Jews in the old Testament; so must it be amongst Christians in the new. Logicians say, that similitudes do halt of one foot. But this doth halt of both. For neither was the high Priest amongst the Jews, judge of all those matters: nether doth it follow thereof, although he had been, that amongst Christians there must a high priest be likewise judge of all. Else, it must be lawful for all your priests to marry. For uit was so amongst the Jews. And Mass must be be said no where but at Rome. For the Jews xmight not sacrifice, but in the place which the Lord had chosen. And yall the males, amongst the Jews, must go thither every year thrice. Which were overmuch for all your males, to Rome. Yet must they do it by your reason. For it is written in Deuteronomy. And because *Deuteronomy is the second law by interpretation: the force of the word proveth, that, what is there decreed, ought to be observed in the new Testament, saith Pope Innocentius.