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The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head…The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head…
The sum of the conference between John Rainoldes and John Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundry points, of the sufficiency and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministry of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the mass, with other controversies of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-government ... Penned by John Rainoldes, according to the notes set down in writing by them both: perused by John Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithful report of that which past in conference between them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise entitled, Six conclusions touching the Holy Scripture and the Church, written by John Rainoldes. With a defence of such things as Thomas Stapleton and Gregory Martin have carped at therein.The summe of the conference betwene Iohn Rainoldes and Iohn Hart touching the head and the faith of the Church. Wherein by the way are handled sundrie points, of the sufficiencie and right expounding of the Scriptures, the ministerie of the Church, the function of priesthood, the sacrifice of the masse, with other controuerises of religion: but chiefly and purposely the point of Church-gouernment ... Penned by Iohn Rainoldes, according to the notes set downe in writing by them both: perused by Iohn Hart, and (after things supplied, & altered, as he thought good) allowed for the faithfull report of that which past in conference betwene them. Whereunto is annexed a treatise intitled, Six conclusions touching the Holie Scripture and the Church, writen by Iohn Rainoldes. With a defence of such thinges as Thomas Stapleton and Gregorie Martin haue carped at therein.
Londini: printed by John Wolfe, 1584Londini: printed by Iohn Wolfe, 1584
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Rainoldes. Yes. For it followeth of your exposition that the Scribes and Pharisees said well in all things which they said, because they did succeed Aaron: and so, that 2succession (which is the mark you shoot at) hath certainty of doctrine and faith knit unto it. Whereas the right lesson, which you should gather thence, is, that the Scribes and Pharisees said well in all things ⟨p. 311⟩which they said out of the word of God ▪ and so that Gods word is simply true and certain; but men ordained to teach it must be heard no farther th•n they agree with it. And this might D. Stapleton have learned of the same Fathers whom he cited▪ but that he rather readeth them to maintain a faction, then to learn the truth. For Austin doth interpret the chair, not of succession, but lof wholesome doctrine, in the which they sit, who speak the good things of God: &, mwe are willed to hear God speaking by them, when we are willed to do the things which they say. For in sitting on Moses chair, they teach the law of God▪ therefore by them God doth teach. But if they would teach their own things, (saith Austin) hear them not, obey them not. So doth nChrysostom expound it, Do all things which the Scribes and Pharisees say you must do: for they preach not their own things, but the things which God commanded by Moses. So doth oOrigen apply it to them who teach the faith aright: with a special clause, that Christians, if they see a preacher live ill, and have not to charge him with teaching ill doctrine; they must frame their lives according to his words not deeds. If they have not to charge him with teaching ill doctrine: as if he should say, that who soever teach ill doctrine, they sit not in the chair of Moses. Let them succeed Aaron never so directly yet if their doctrine be ill, they sit not in the chair of Moses. Whereby you may see the wretched state of that argument of which you made so great vaunt. For the first proposition, that the Scribes and Pharisees were to be obeyed in all things which they said, because they sate in the chair of Moses, that is, they did succeed Aaron: is foully corrupted in the point of succession. The second, that the Popes do sit in Christs chair, that is, they are successors of the Apostles: is tainted with the samecanker that the first. The conclusion therefore, that men must obey the Popes in all things which they say;