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Certe[n] godly, learned, and comfortable conferences, between the two reverend fathers, and holy martyrs…Certe[n] godly, learned, and comfortable conferences, betwene the two reuerende fathers, and holye martyrs…
Certe[n] godly, learned, and comfortable conferences, between the two reverend fathers, and holy martyrs of Christ, D. Nicolas Ridley late Bishop of London, and M. Hugh Latimer sometime Bishop of Worcester, during the time of their imprisonments. Whereunto is added. A treatise against the error of transubstantiation, made by the said reverend father D. Nicolas Ridley. M.D.LVI.Certe[n] godly, learned, and comfortable conferences, betwene the two reuerende fathers, and holye martyrs of Christe, D. Nicolas Rydley late Bysshoppe of London, and M. Hughe Latymer sometyme Bysshoppe of Worcester, during the tyme of their emprysonmentes. Whereunto is added. A treatise agaynst the errour of transubstantiation, made by the sayd reuerende father D. Nicolas Rydley. M.D.LVI.
Strasbourg: printed by the heirs of W. Rihel, 1556
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The second of the two new found answers / 1is yet most monstrous of all other / which is this. But let us grant (say they) that Origene spake of the Lords supper / and by the matter thereof was understanded / the material substance of bread / and wine. What then say they? for though the ma / teriall substance was once gone / and departed by reason of transubstantiation / whilst the forms of bread and wine did remain / yet now it is no inconvenience to say that as that material substance did depart at the entering in of Christs body under the aforesaid forms / soe when the said forms be destroyed / and do not remain / then cometh again the substance of bread and wine / and this (say they) is very meet in this mystery / that that which began with miracle / shall end in a miracle. If I had not red this fantasy / I would scarcely have believed / that any learned man ever would have set forth such a foolish fantasy / which ⟨image 58⟩not only lacketh all ground either of Gods word / reason / or of any ancient writer / but is also clean contrary to the common rules of school divinity / which is / that no miracle is to be affirmed and put without necessity. And although for their former miracle / which is their transubstantiation / they have some colour / though it be but vain / saying it is done by the power / and virtue / of these words of Christ / This is my body / yet to make this second miracle / of returning the material substance again / they have no colour at all. Or else I pray them show me / by what words of Christ / is that second miracle wrought.
The seconde of the two newe founde answeres / 1is yet moste monstrous of all other / whiche is this. But let vs graunt (saie they) that Origene spake of the Lordes supper / and by the matter thereof was vnderstanded / the materiall substaunce of breade / and wine. What then saie they? for though the ma / teriall substaunce was once gone / and departed by reason of transubstantiation / whileste the formes of breade and wyne did remaine / yet nowe it is no inconuenience to saie that as that materiall substaunce did depart at the entryng in of Christes bodie vnder the aforesaide formes / soe when the saide formes be destroied / and doe not remaine / then cō meth againe the substance of bread and wine / and this (saie they) is verye meete in this misterie / that that which began with miracle / shal ende in a miracle. Yf I hadde not red this phantasie / I would scarselye haue beleued / that any learned man euer would haue set furth suche a folish fantasie / which