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The Christian disputations, by Master Peter Viret. Divided into three parts, dialogue wiseThe Christian disputations, by Master Peter Viret. Deuided into three partes, dialogue wise
The Christian disputations, by Master Peter Viret. Divided into three parts, dialogue wise: set out with such grace, that it cannot be, but that a man shall take great pleasure in the reading thereof. Translated out of French into English, by John Brooke of AsheThe Christian disputations, by Master Peter Viret. Deuided into three partes, dialogue wise: set out with such grace, that it cannot be, but that a man shall take greate pleasure in the reading thereoff. Translated out of French into English, by Iohn Brooke of Ashe
London: printed by Thomas East, 1579
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Wherefore he speaketh of the fault of sin, the which is not pardoned in Purgatory, according to your doctrine, for in the same one can but release the pain. It followeth then, that although that we do agree and grant unto you that there is some forgiveness of sin in the other world, even as you would conclude of the words of Jesus Christ that the same should nothing at all relieve and help up your Purgatory. We must then 1consider the manner of speaking, by the which Jesus Christ would declare, how great and detestable that sin is, and to take away all the hope of pardon, unto those which in that point will resist the truth known, and will go about to quench and put out the light of the holy Ghost, which is offered unto them. And therefore he was not contented to say: that sin shall never be forgiven and pardoned. But the better for to augment and amplify the thing, he would use that manner of speaking, which comprehendeth the judgement of God, the which already every man feeleth in his conscience in this life: and that latter judgement which shall be manifested in the resurrection. Wherefore he saith briefly, that in this same life, in the which God hath given to man, time and space to convert and turn himself unto him, that sin shall never be pardoned, and yet less in that latter judgement, in which God will give his latter sentence: except peradventure there were some, which in him had some hope. But it followeth not therefore that he hath forgiveness of any sin, in the world to come, which shall not be here pardoned. But to the end that thou mayst yet better know, that Jesus Christ hath not spoken in that sort without just reason, we must consider that he furnisheth us here with a good witness against the Originists ⟨image 282⟩and Anabaptists, which do promise forgiveness of sins 2unto the Devils and reprobate in the other world. Although I do not believe, that Origins was of such an opinion: For his books do witness unto us the contrary. But for to return unto the words of Jesus Christ, sith that Jesus Christ saith so clearly, that that sin, which is proper unto them, shall not have forgiveness in this world nor in the other, it followeth then, that it shall never have:
Wherefore he speaketh of the faulte of sinne, the which is not pardoned in Purgatory, according to your doctrine, for in the same one can but release the payne. It followeth then, that although that we doe agrée and graunt vnto you that ther is some forgiuensse of sinne in the other worlde, euen as you woulde conclude of the words of Iesus Christ that the same should nothing at all relieue and helpe vp your Purgatory. Wée must then