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The Christian disputations, by Master Peter Viret. Divided into three parts, dialogue wiseThe Christian disputations, by Master Peter Viret. Deuided into three partes, dialogue wise
The Christian disputations, by Master Peter Viret. Divided into three parts, dialogue wise: set out with such grace, that it cannot be, but that a man shall take great pleasure in the reading thereof. Translated out of French into English, by John Brooke of AsheThe Christian disputations, by Master Peter Viret. Deuided into three partes, dialogue wise: set out with such grace, that it cannot be, but that a man shall take greate pleasure in the reading thereoff. Translated out of French into English, by Iohn Brooke of Ashe
London: printed by Thomas East, 1579
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Theophilus. Thy reason is not evil. Wherefore me thinketh (friend Eusebius that thou mayest now understand that that place of Saint Ambrose, and the other ⟨image 134⟩reasons which thou hast put forth for to prove thy intention, & to confirm thy matter, conserve serve thee nothing at all, for to allow that which now in such a case is done in your Churches: But rather to condemn and reprove them. For you your self follow not the example of the Israelites propounded by Saint Ambrose, and your Decrees and Canons, nor you are not contented with the dayed which are there specified, nor with the manner described in them, for to celebrate the commemoration of the dead, but do add to it many other things of which you cannot allege any example to be on your side, neither in the old nor new Testament, nor of the ancient people of Israel, nor also of the first Christians, but of the Paynims and Idolaters, whom you do follow, keeping almost the very same days that they for the same have chosen, and with the like superstition as they. Wherefore I am abashed of Durand, who expounding the mysteries and secrets contained in the number of those days, 1hath written among other things that some Christians have also chosen the ninth day, for to make the Dbsequies and commemoration of the dead: or have used of custom to offer nine days together for them, that their souls should be delivered from pains, and joined and knit together unto the nine order of the Angels. But he addeth that the same was not allowed of some, fearing least it should seem that the Christians were unitators and followers of the Paynims and Gentiles, who had that same day dedicated unto the obsequies & commemoration of their dead, as already hath ben touched.
Theophilus. Thy reason is not euill. Wherefore me thinketh (friend Eusebius that thou maist now vnderstand that that place of Saint Ambrose, and the other ⟨image 134⟩reasons which thou hast put forth for to proue thy intentien, & to confirme thy matter, conserue serue thée nothing at al, for to allowe that which nowe in such a case is dene in your Churches: But rather to condempne and reproue them. For you your selfe followe not the example of the Israelites propou•ded by Saynt Ambrose, and your Decrées and Canons, nor you are not cotented with the dayed which are there specified, nor with the manner described in them, for to celebrate the commemoration of the dead, but doe adde to it many other things of which you cannot alleadge any example to be on your side, neyther in the olde nor new Testament, nor of the auncient people of Israel, nor also of the first Christians, but of the Panims and Idolaters, whom you doe follow, kéepinge almost the very same dayes that they for the same haue chosen, and with the lyke supersticion as they. Wherefore I am abashed of Durand, who expounding the misteryes and secrets contayned in the number of those dayes,