A reply to an answer made of M. Doctor Whitgifte Against the admonition to…A replye to an ansvvere made of M. Doctor VVhitgifte Against the admonition to…

And I marvel with what conscience he could answer so in this place / especially where it is forthwith added / that they ordained them by the suffrages and voices of the church. But you say that the Greek word cheirotonein, is by the common opinion of almost all Ecclesiastical writers / used in the scripture for the solemn manner of ordaining of ministers by the imposition of hands / which is ⟨p. 45⟩the second exception you take to this reason. Wherein / but that I have promised to hold my self to the matter / and that these bold asseverances in matters most untrue / are so common / that if I should every foot pursue them / I should weary my self and all others / I could not keep my self from running out to marvel at such high speeches / void of truth. First / where you say that some translation hath / that they ordained ministers without making mention of election / what have you gained thereby / when I can show moe that translate it otherwise / and say it is that they ordained by election / or voices / or suffrages? I had not the commodity of books / whereby I could see the judgement of all Ecclesiastical writers. But of those which I had / I find that there was but one only M. Gualter of that mind / and yet he doth not shut out the peoples consent in the election. Master Calvin / M. Beza / M. Bullinger / M. Musculus / M. Brentius / he that translated Chrysostom upon that place / Erasmus in his Paraphrases upon that place / are of the contrary judgement / of whose judgement I would not have spoken / if you would not have gone about thus to abuse your reader / with such manifest untruths / to overthrow the order which God hath established.

And I maruell with what conscience he coulde answere so in thys place / especially where it is forthwith added / that they ordayned them by the suffrages and voices of the church. But you say that the Greeke worde cheirotonein, is by the common opinion of almost all Ecclesiasticall writers / vsed in the scripture for the solemne maner of ordaining of ministers by the imposition of hands / which is ⟨p. 45⟩the second exception you take to this reason. Wherin / but that I haue promised to holde my selfe to the matter / and that these bolde asseuerances in matters most vntrue / are so common / that if I should euery fote pursue them / I should weary my selfe and all others / I coulde not keepe my selfe from running out to maruell at such high speaches / voide of truthe. First / where you say that some translation hath / that they ordained ministers wythout making mention of election / what haue you gained therby / when I can shew mo that translate it otherwise / and say it is that they ordained by election / or voices / or suffrages? I had not the commoditye of bookes / wherby I coulde see the iudgement of all Ecclesiasticall wryters. But of those whych I had / I finde that there was but one only M. Gualter of that minde / and yet he dothe not shut out the peoples consent in the election. Master Caluin / M. Beza / M. Bullinger / M. Musculus / M. Brentius / he that translated Chrysostome vppon that place / Erasmus in his Paraphrases vpon that place / are of the contrary iudgement / of whose iudgement I would not haue spoken / if you woulde not haue gone about thus to abuse youre reader / wyth suche manifest vntruthes / to ouerthrow the order which God hath established.