A reply to an answer made of M. Doctor Whitgifte Against the admonition to…A replye to an ansvvere made of M. Doctor VVhitgifte Against the admonition to…

Are all the learned fathers of that mind? I think then you would have been better advised then to have set down but one / when as you know a matter in controversy / will not be tried but by two or three witnesses / unless the Lord speak him self / and therefore you give me occasion to suspect that because you cite but one / you know of no more: now let us see what your one witness will depose in this matter.

Are all the learned fathers of that mynde? I thinke then you would haue bene better aduised then to haue sette downe but one / when as you know a matter in controuersie / will not be tryed but by two or three witnesses / vnlesse the Lord speake hym selfe / and therefore you geue me occasion to suspect that because you cite but one / you know of no more: now let vs see what your one witnesse will depose in thys matter.

And first of all you have done more wisely then simply / in that you have altered Jeromes words. For where he sayeth / wherein doth a bishop differ from an elder / but only in ordaining: you say a bishop doth excel all other ministers. &c. I report me here unto your conscience / whether you did not of purpose change Jeromes his sentence / because you would not let the reader understand what odds is between S. Jeromes bishops in his days / & between our ⟨p. 58⟩Lord Bishops. For then the bishop had nothing above an elder or other minister / but only the ordaining of the minister. Now he hath a thousand parishes / where the minister hath but one. For the matters also of the substance of the ministry / the bishop now excommunicateth / which the minister can not / absolveth or receiveth into the church / which the minister can not. Besides divers other things which are mere civill which the bishop doth / and which neither bishop nor other minister ought to do. I say I report me to your conscience / whether you altered Jeromes words to this end / that you would keep this from the knowledge of your reader or no. For answer to the place / it is an evil argument to say the bishop had the ordaining of the minister. Ergo he had the election of him / the contrary rather is a good argument / the bishop had the ordaining of the minister / therefore he had not the election of him. For ordination and election are divers members of one whole / which is the placing of the pastor in his church / and one member can not be verified of an other / as you can not say your foot is your hand. I will not deny / but that sometimes these words may be found confounded in Ecclesiastical writers / but I will show you also / that they are distinguished / and that the election pertaineth to the people / and ordaining unto the Bishop.