A reply to an answer made of M. Doctor Whitgifte Against the admonition to…A replye to an ansvvere made of M. Doctor VVhitgifte Against the admonition to…

As for Augustin his place / it is to be understanded of such things as have a necessary use / and therefore may not be taken away from us by the superstition of men. For so we might also be deprived of the sun / which is as it were the life of the world / because the sun hath been worshipped. But that S. Augustin ¹did not like of this kind of retaining ceremonies / it may * appear. Do you ask saith he / how the Pagans may be won / how they may be brought to salvation / forsake their solemnities / let go their toys / and then if they gree not unto our truth / let them be ashamed of their fewness / whereby he showeth / that the nearest way to gain the papists / is to forsake their Ceremonies. And yet I would be loth to say either with you / or with Augustin / that it is not lawful for a man / to make of a popish surplice / a shirt for him self / or to take the gold of a cope which he hath bought / & convert it to his private use. And herein we do nothing disagree with S. Augustin / which grant that surplices / and copes / and rippets / and caps / may be applied to a good use / either common or private / as they will best serve / but we deny that that use is in distinguishing either the ministers from other men / or the ministers executing their ecclesiastical function from themselves / when they do not exercise that office.

As for Augustin hys place / it is to be vnderstanded of such things as haue a necessary vse / and therefore may not be taken away from vs by the superstition of men. For so we might also be depriued of the sunne / which is as it were the life of the world / because the sinme hath bene worshipped. But that S. Augustin ¹did not like of this kinde of retayning ceremonies / it may * appeare. Do you aske sayth he / how the Paganes may be wonne / how they may be brought to saluation / forsake their solemnities / let goe their toyes / and then if they gree not vnto our truth / let them be ashamed of their fewnesse / whereby he sheweth / that the nearest way to gaine the papistes / is to forsake their Ceremonies. And yet I would be loth to say eyther with you / or with Augustin / that it is not lawfull for a man / to make of a popishe surplice / a shirt for him selfe / or to take the gold of a cope which he hath bought / & conuert it to his priuate vse. And herein we do nothing disagree with S. Augustin / which graunt that surplices / and copes / and rippets / and cappes / may be applyed to a good vse / eyther common or priuate / as they wil best serue / but wee deny that that vse is in distinguishing eyther the ministers from other men / or the ministers executing their ecclesiasticall function from themselues / when they doe not exercise that office.