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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
After admitting it was after the Apostles / he proceedeth to answer dTertullian which saith / that is true which is first, that is false which is later. But how cometh it to pass / that he answereth not that alleged out off our Saviour Christs e words: which calleth the Pharisees unto the first institution? that 2was belike to hard for him to byte upon. And the answer unto Tertullian is absurd. For he bringeth him in reasoning as he useth: that is / proving the thing in controversy / by that a like doubtful. For if the rule of Tertullian extend it self no further / then unto things he there speaketh of / and in debate: his reason is no reason / but a giddy turn about / wherein although great pains be taken / yet there is no ground gotten. Whereas Tertullian prove the / that Praxeas judgement of our Sau. Christ was therefore naught / because it was new / and new because it was not agreeing with that given by the scripture. Moreover his answer to the place / presumeth that the government off the church is not a matter off faith / and salvation: which is the question. And as for his Phantasies he resembleth my reason with / they have nothing like. For beside that there were Christian magistrates / baptisinges in churches / communion ministered unto more then 12▪ in the apostles times / and off their allowance: the Apostles never taught that there should be no Christian magistrates / no baptisinges hut in rivers / no eating off things strangled / &c. ⟨p. DLXXI⟩(the contrary off all which they plainly taught / ordaining only that the Gentiles should support the Jews / in strangled things / abut they rawght that a bishop and teaching elder be all one / and never allowed that one Pastor should take the name off a bishop from all his fellows within 40. miles compass. The testimony out off Tertull / maketh way for Montanus heresy: 3whereof I have spoken before.
After admitting yt was after the Apostels / he procedeth to answer dTertullian which saithe / that ys true vvhich is first, that ys false vvhich is later. But how cometh yt to passe / that he anwereth not that alledged owte off our Sauiour Christes e wordes: which calleth the Pharisies vnto the firste institution? that