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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Here M. D. seeking busily to hide his nakedness / findeth not so much as a fig leaf to cover his shame with all. Na in seeking a hole to hide it in he hath met with a hill to show it further of. He accuseth me of dishonesty / that I have falsified his words in saying that he affirmeth it To be a thing indifferent to come to the communion clothed or naked for that he hath not used this word (indifferent). you bind me very straight if you will let me use no other words then you / that which you said in many words I uttered in one. I refuse not to be counted unhonest / if I have differed in sense from you. For whether that be a thing indifferent or no / which is neither commanded in the scripture nor by necessary collection may be gathered thereof: I leave it to the Judgement off all those / which have learned that the scripture is a perfect rule off all things public or private necessary to be done off a Christian man: which thing also after is more at large declared. And where the gloss saith / that the proof out off S. Paul that it is no indifferent thing For men to cone either clothed or naked is superfluous: I marvel that he seeth not that it is directly against that he setteth down which is / that it can not be showed out of the scripture either by plain words or by necessary collection, that men and women ought not to come naked unto the communion. it was peradventure more then he would have had / but his absurd assertion required it. After he saith he knoweth it is necessary to comeliness ⟨p. XXV⟩/ that a man or woman come clothed: but he denieth it to be particularly expressed in the scriptures▪ as though this were all one with that which he set down before / and that there were no difference between these sayings: it is not commanded in the scriptures, nor can by no necessary collection be gathered off them, with this it is not particularly expressed in the scriptures. And to help to cleanse M. D. Master Ridley a singular learned man and constant martyr of Christ must be defiled with this gross error. Who although being a man might well err: yet it is incredible that a man of his learning and godliness / could fall in so plain a way as this.
HEre M. D. sekinge busilie to hide his nakednes / findeth not so muche as a figge leafe to couer his shame with all. Na in sekinge a hole to hide it in he hathe met with a hill to shew it further of. He accusethe me of dishonestie / that I haue falsified his wordes in saying that he affirmeth it To be a thinge indifferent to come to the cōmunion clothed or naked for that he hathe not vsed this word (indifferent). yow bind me verie streight iff yow will let me vse no other wordes then yow / that which yow said in manie wordes I vttered in one. I refuse not to be counted vnhonest / iff I haue differred in sense from yow. For whether that be a thing indifferent or no / whiche is neither cōmaunded in the scripture nor by necessarie collection maye be gathered theroff: I leaue it to the Iudgement off all those / whiche haue learned that the scripture is a perfecte rule off all thinges publike or priuate necessarie to be done off a Christian man: which thinge also after is more at large declared. And where the glosse saith / that the proufe owt off S. Paule that it is no indifferēt thing For men to cōe either clothed or naked is superfluous: I merueile that he seeth not that it is directlie against that he setteth downe whiche is / that it can not be shewed owt of the scripture either by plaine wordes or by necessarie collection, that men and women owght not to come naked vnto the communion. yt was peraduenture more then he woulde haue had / but his absurd assertion required it. After he saith he knoweth it is necessarie to comelines