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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Now to come to the D. that saith / Epiphanius calleth us heretics: which pincheth us. master Wickleve / and the pore Waldenses bare it at Pigghius hand / we must do it at the D. in deed so much more pinching / as it cometh from him / from whom it least ought. But what remedy: the Lord will look to it in time. Howbeit because this arrow is (as it is said) of Epiphanius a man subject to error / shot out off Pigghius bow / one given up to error / having no head off the word of God to make it enter: it may peradventure raise the skin / but wound it can not make. But Augustine reckoneth it so: but Augustine reporteth what he found written. for touching his own judgement he is flat against Epiphanius: which maketh a bishop and an elder differ by the Apostles institution / whereas Augustin (as I have showed) ⟨p. DCXIX⟩1teacheth even as Jerome / that this difference was not by the word of God / but by custom. now I would know of the D. how Augustin can hold that for an heresy / which (to leave the rest) can not be convinced by the word off God / but only by a custom off the church. And here first he must either let go his hold of Jerome / or this of Epiphanius. For if it be true that Epiphanius holdeth / that a bishop and an elder differ by the Apostles institution: then it is false which Jerome and others hold / that they were all one at the first / and that the difference came by custom. Contrariwise if Jerome in that point say true (as in deed he doth): then Epiphanius authority falleth. Secondly / if the D. will prejudice this cause / for that Epiphanius a Catholic thought them to differ by the word off God / where Aerius an heretic thought them all one / or else in that Augustin reckoneth that amongest his heresies: by the same reason he must prejudice this truth / that we ought not to pray / or make any oblation for the dead. For both aEpiphan. esteemed him an heretic for his judgement in that behalf: and bAugustin reporteth this as one off his heresies / which is catholic doctrine. So that Pigghius might use this authority better / which condemneth as well the one / as the other: then the D. which holdeth (as I think) for Catholic / that which Aerius the heretic affirmed / and for heretical / which Epiphanius the Catholic condemned.