A18080:1166
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Where I show the titles of chief off the Synagogue, of the 1Sanctuary, of the hows of god, to make directly against him, considering that particular churches are now in steed off them, and therefore there ought to be such not in every Province or diocese but in every particular congregation: the D. as amazed speaketh he can not tell what. First / that the Jews had particular Synagogues, as we particular congregations, and that I have confessed that before. As if I had any where denied it: or had not even here in effect affirmed it: or it helped him for answer / which is the ruin off his cause. For their Synagogues being the same that our particular churches / in every one off them being not one / but many princes: the urging off that example / bringeth divers chief governors / or archbishops in every particular church. Then he saith / one Christian common wealth is but one church, which is untrue. For first although the church be in a Christian common wealth: yet nether is the common wealth the church / nor the church the common wealth as shall appear. Besides / I have showed that the scripture (off whose manner off speech the question is) useth not to call a Province / or diocese / a church: but ether the whole universal / or else a particular congregation. Thirdly if it were so / yet the answer is insufficient. For if the name off the house off God / were common as well to a church in a Province / as in a particular congregation: yet what right hath he to pull the ecclesiastical priesthood more to his provincial / then to our particular church? He saith / the superiority amongest the priests: and Levites, is by the civill law of Moses. Which declareth him ravished off all judgement: it being manifest that they were ether Ceremonial / or Ecclesiastical laws / wherewith the Lord disposed of the degrees of the ministry: whereof the Ceremonial being abolished / and therefore the chieftie off one priest over all / we willingly retain the ecclesiastical.
Where I shew the titles of cheif off the Synagoge, of the 1Sāctuarie, of the hovvs of god, to make directly against him, cō sidering that particular churches are novv in steed off thē, and therfore there ovvght to be such not in euery Prouince or dioces but in euery particular cōgregation: the D. as amazed speaketh he can not tell what. First / that the Iewes had particular Synagoges, as we particular congregations, and that I haue confessed that before. As if I had any where denied it: or had not euen here in effect affirmed it: or it helped him for answer / which is the ruine off his cause. For their Synagoges being the same that our particular churches / in euery one off them being not one / but many princes: the vrging off that example / bringeth diuers cheif gouernours / or archbishops in euery particular church. Then he saith / one Christian commen wealth is but one church, which is vntrue. For first althowgh the church be in a Christian commen wealth: yet nether is the commen wealth the church / nor the church the commen weaith as shall appeare. Besides / I haue shewed that the scripture (off whose manner off speach the question is) vseth not to call a Prouince / or dioces / a church: but ether the whole vniuersall / or els a particular congregation. Thirdly if it were so / yet the answer is insufficient. For if the name off the howse off God / were cōmen as well to a church in a Prouince / as in a particular cōgregatiō: yet what right hath he to pull the ecclesiasticall priesthood more to his prouinciall / then to our particular church? He saith / the superioritie amongest the priestes: and Leuites, is by the ciuill law of Moses. Which declareth him rauished off all iudgement: it being manifest that they were ether Ceremoniall / or Ecclesiasticall lawes / wherwith the Lord disposed of the degrees of the ministerie: wherof the Ceremoniall being abolished / and therfore the chieftie off one priest ouer all / we willingly reteine the ecclesiasticall.