A18080:1172
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Where he saith / our metropolitan calleth Synods, although not provincial, and propoundeth the matters: first is nothing to the purpose. for calling only diocesan Synods / he doth nothing which a simple bishop may not aswell as he▪ and therefore no cause why / there should be an archbishop in this respect. Secondly / all know that those Synods he speaketh off / are holden for the most pate by deputies at his appointment. So / that which the D. utterly condemneth in the Discipline we propound / touching the choosing off a president every Synod / is done here / and that at the pleasure off one man / not by consent off the ministers: yea by appointment off one for the most part no Ecclesiastical person / in matters pertaining to the ministry. Thirdly / I would know by what right / the archbishop may call his diocesan Synods▪ if by Ecclesiastical / then why not also the Provincial? considering that they are of one kind / ether both Ecclesiastical / or both civil. If he do it by civill authority: why doth he not aswell ⟨p. DCXLII⟩wait for the magistrates commandment in one / as in the other? He saith / the archbishop's office consisting in sundry other things besides calling Synods, propounding matters, overseeing the limits: ought not to cease although he do none off these. It being manifest that these were the chief causes / under pretence whereof he was brought in / and especially to the end that controversies / and contentions amongest the ministry / by Synods called / and ordered by him / might he ended: it must follow that if we may spare him for these / we may easily be with out him for the rest: and so this is not for the amendment / but for the overthrow off his surisoiction. Because we agree in the matter / and I have before showed that 1the metropolitans were appointed to oversee that none passed his bounds: I omit the injury he doth in supposing that I send him to the ninth Canon for that matter / when as the word there by all indifferency / ought rather to be referred to the council in the text / then to the canon in the margin.
Where he saith / our metropolitan calleth Synodes, althowgh not prouinciall, and propoundeth the matters: first is nothing to the purpose. for calling onely diocesan Synodes / he doth nothing which a simple bishop may not aswell as he and therfore no cause vvhy / there should be an archbishop in this respect. Secondly / all know that those Synodes he speaketh off / are houlden for the moste pate by deputies at his appointement. So / that vvhich the D. vtterly condemneth in the Discipline vve propounde / touching the chusing off a president euery Synod / is doen here / and that at the plrasure off one man / not by consente off the mynisters: yea by appointement off one for the moste parte no Ecclesiasticall person / in matters perteining to the ministrie. Thirdly / I would know by what right / the archbishop may call his diocesan Synodes yf by Ecclesiasticall / then vvhy not also the Prouinciall? considering that they are of one kinde / ether both Ecclesiasticall / or both cyuill. Yf he do yt by ciuill autoritie: vvhy doth he not aswel