The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

Where I compared the council which decreed that no bishop sitting in any place should suffer a minister or elder to stand▪ with the behaviour off our bishops towards the ministers: he staggereth on this and that side. But his drift is that it is the bishops right / that they should stand and he sit: wherein he accuseth the council off giving it away from them. Then he will have it in their discretion, that it may (belike) serve for a brake to break proud stomachs. But what if the bishop being proud / the ministers be humble: surely by this reason it should be rather in their discretion / to make the bishop sit or stand before them: For they often beaten with poverty / learned humility: which he through sudden wealth / (if he had any before) may easily forget. If there be such high minded ministers: it is meet their pride be otherwise corrected / then by this uncanonical crouching both to blow up the bishops heart in pride / and to draw the rest with their ministry into contempt: whilst both equal in office / and sometime superior in gifts / they have harder entertainment off them / then many off the better sort off Servants have at the hands off their masters. So that where they are by the law off God / the bishops fellows: the poor ministers think them selves well dealt with / if they may be admitted for companions off his servants: as if my lord bishop only were Shepard over the people / and all the rest were Swinardes. I omit that some of them are content that a Justice off peace / yea off Quorum, (as I have heard) stand before them with their caps in hand: which how near it is to despising off powers / whereof the Apostle speaketh / let all judged.¹

Where I compared the councell which decreed that no bishop sitting in any place shoulde suffer a mynister or elder to stande▪ vvith the behauiour off our bishops tovvards the ministers: he staggereth on this and that side. But his drifte is that yt is the bishops right / that they should stande and he syt: wherein he accuseth the councell off gyuing yt away from them. Then he will haue yt in their discretion, that yt may (belike) serue for a brake to break prowd stomacks. But what if the bishop being prowd / the ministers be humble: surely by this reason yt shoulde be rather in their discretiō / to make the bishop syt or stāde before thē: For they often beaten with pouertie / learned humilitie: which he throwgh sodain wealth / (yf he had any before) may easely forget. Yf there be such high minded ministers: yt is meete their pride be otherwise corrected / then by this vncanonicall crowching both to blowe vp the bishops heart in pride / and to drawe the rest with their ministerie into conmpt: whilest both equall in office / and sometime superiour in giftes / they haue harder intertainement off them / then many off the better sorte off Seruantes haue at the handes off their maisters. So that where they are by the lawe off God / the bishops fellowes: the poore ministers thincke them selues well dealt with / yf they may be admitted for compagnions off his seruantes: as if my lord bishop onely were Shepard ouer the people / and al the rest were Swinardes. I omitt that some of them are content that a Iustice off peace / yea off Quorum, (as I haue heard) stād before them with their cappes in hand: which how neere yt is to dispising off powers / wheroff the Apostle speaketh / let all iudged.