A18080:146
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Chapter 1. pag. 77.
The plaster wherewith the answerer would heal his unskilfulness in the expounding off tolerating in the church. by these words placing in the church, will not clean. For to let pas the meaning off the admonition (which he should have showed if he maintain his answer by it / and not as he doth (contrary to all law of disputation) bid me prove that their meaning was not so as he supposeth) I say to let that pas: it appeareth by bis plain words / that this exposition was not framed in regard off the meaning off the admonition / but for that he knew not what difference there was between placing in the church, and tolerating in the church. For himself confesseth that this is the principal ground of their book / that those things only should be placed in the church ⟨p. XLV⟩/ which the lord himself in his word commandeth. and ascribing this judgement unto them he afterward expoundeth / that to be as much as if they should have said: that nothing should be tolerated, &c. if this be their principal ground that nothing be placed, &c, (as the A. confesseth:) and placing in the church is not the same that tolerating in the church (as he doth also confess:) it must follow that the principal ground off the admonition / was not (as he saith) that nothing should be tolerated in the church not commanded by the word. And his words do discharge the admonition off any such assertion. For in that he saith / that their meaning was (so far as he could gather) that nothing should be placed, &c. it is manifest that in saying now that they meant that nothing should be tolerated, &c. he chargeth them farther / then he was then able to gather off their book.
THe playster vvherwithe the answerer woulde heale his vnskilfulnes in the expounding off tollerating in the churche. by these wordes placing in the churche, will not cleane. For to let pas the meanig off the admonition (whiche he shoulde haue shewed iff he mainteine his answer by yt / and not as he doothe (contrary to all lawe of disputation) bid me proue that their meaning was not so as he supposeth) I saie to let that pas: yt appeareth by bis plaine vvordes / that this exposition was not framed in regarde off the meaning off the admonition / but for that he knew not what difference there was betwene placinge in the churche, and tollerating in the churche. For himselffe cōfesseth that this is the principall grounde of their booke / that those thinges onely shoulde be placed in the churche