A18080:171
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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And whereas he would make the reader believe / that we have given back / in that we confess certain orders may be established in the church / which are not expressed in the word off God: I have showed / how the Adm. is very untruly charged with that sentence: there being neither the same / nor the value off those words to be found in it. This therefore being agreed on off both sides: we might have here shut up these controversies / saving that the A. holding this doctrine in words / doth notwithstanding in deed continue the siege against it: in that all those places / which I have alleged for proof off it / he doth by shameful and open corruptions / essay to overthrow.
And wheras he woulde make the reader belieue / that we haue giuen backe / in that we confesse certeine orders may be established in the churche / which are not expressed in the worde off God: I haue shewed / howe the Adm. is very vntruely charged with that sentence: there beinge neither the same / nor the valew off those wordes to be founde in it. This therefore beinge agreed on off bothe sides: we might haue here shut vp these controuersies / sauinge that the A. holdinge this doctrine in wordes / dothe notwithstandinge in deede continue the siedge against it: in that all those places / which I haue alledged for proof off it / he doothe by shamefull and open corruptions / essaye to ouerthowe.
And to the first place / which is that the wisdom of god in his word / doth teach men every good way / and therefore 1the way which ought to be taken in the establishment of orders / and ceremonies in the church: he asketh me in great scorn / what that maketh to the purpose? in deed to prove that which he untruly / and contrary to my plain words / in his answer to all my arguments surmiseth to be my purpose (that is / that no law ought to be made in the church / which is not expressed in the word) I say to prove this / I grant it is not sufficient: but to prove that all things ought to be done in the church / not only not against the commandment / but also according to the commandment of God (which was that which I propounded / and he denied) it is more sufficient / then he is able to answer. His answer also / which supposeth this sentence directed unto princes and magistrates (only belike in that he saith my son) is uttered without all judgement: considering that Solomon / by that title speaketh unto all the children off god / of what calling soever they be / as it is manifest by the writer to the Hebrews.