A18080:207
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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And where he saith that the word off god may be taught privately, and that a man may exhort privately: that is nothing to the purpose. For we speak of the order which ought to be kept in the exercises that concern the body off the church / and not of the private exhortations / teachings / and admonitions / that ether the minister ought to use towards the several persons off his flock / or one private man towards another / or the father off a household in his family / &c. And this is so far from helping off him / that it maketh altogether against him. For as it is not in the churches power / to forbid thes private teachings / admonitions / exhortations / or to ordain that thes teachings / &c. be public / because the lord hath commanded them to be private: so it is not in her power / to take away the public preaching of the word: considering that the lord also hath commanded it. And therefore it is untrue / which he set down: that the scripture hath not determined, whether the word should be taught, privately, or publicly. For by private men / it hath determined it should always be done privately: by public persons also / it showeth how / and in what case / it should be spoken privately: and how / and in what case / publicly: contrary whereunto the church can not determine / and if she determine a 100. times / she is not to be obeyed.
And where he saithe that the worde off god maye be taught prtuately, and that a man may exhorte priuately: that is nothing to the purpose. For we speake of the order which owght to be keepte in the exercises that concerne the bodie off the churche / and not of the priuate exhortations / teachings / and admonitions / that ether the minister owght to vse towardes the seuerall persons off his flocke / or one priuate man towardes another / or the father off a howsholde in his familie / &c. And this is so farre from helping off him / that it makethe altogether againste him. For as yt is not in the churches power / to forbyd thes priuate teachinges / admonitions / exhortations / or to ordeine that thes teachings / &c. be publike / because the lorde hathe commanded thē to be priuate: so yt is not in her power / to take awaie the publike preaching of the worde: considering that the lorde also hathe commaunded yt. And therfore yt ys vntrew / which he set downe: that the scripture hathe not determined, whether the worde shoulde be tawght, priuately, or publikely. For by priuate men / yt hathe determined yt shoulde allwayes be doone priuately: by publyke persons also / yt shewethe how / and in what case / yt shoulde be spoken priuately: and how / and in what case / publikely: contrary wherunto the churche can not determine / and iff she determine a 100. tymes / she is not to be obeied.