A18080:214
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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The second sort are off those things which being determined by the word off God / off or on / are out off the churches compass to take order in: As is that which he reciteth out of Justine / off the deacons carrying the breed of the holy supper off the lord, to those which were not present at the action off the supper: and that which he allegeth out of the council of Neocesarea / that no man should be minister before 30. year off his age, Likewise that which he bringeth out off the Amyran council / that a minister can not s•ll the churches rights especially in that sense the council meaneth / which is for his own private profit. The first of these is contrary to the institution / and the last being sacrilege are simply forbidden in the word of god. The Scripture also determining that a man off those gifts which be required off the Minister off the word / may / and (if need require) ought to be received unto the ministry / and showing further / that those gifts fall into younger years then 3•. it must needs follow / that the church determining flatly / that none shall be received to the ministry before those years / shutteth the door off the ministry unto those / to whom the word off God setteth it open. And also / that this Council is altogether out off place alleged: considering that it determined not off this / as off a thing whereof the Scripture had not given sentence / but as off a thing unlawful by the Scripture / and for that purpose it allegeth the example off our Saviour Christ / which preached not before he was 30. year old. Thes things dangerously set down ⟨p. LXXVIII⟩off the An. as indifferent / which are not: I thought it necessary to give the simple reader warning / that the Answ. measure wherewith he meteth indifferent things / is unsealed.
The seconde sorte are off those thinges which beinge determined by the worde off God / off or on / are owte off the churches compas to take order in: As is that which he reciteth owte of Iustine / off the deacons carying the brede of the holy supper off the lorde, to those which were not present at the action off the supper: and that which he alledgeth owte of the councell of Neocesarea / that no man should be minister before 30. yeare off his age, Likewise that which he bringeth owte off the Amyran councell / that a minister can not s•ll the churches rightes especially in that sense the councell meaneth / which is for his owne priuate profit. The first of these is cōtrarie to the institution / and the laste being sacriledge are simply forbiddē in the worde of god. The Scripture also determining that a man off those giftes which be required off the Minister off the word / maie / and (if nede require) owght to be receiued vnto the ministery / and shewing further / that those giftes fall into yonger yeares then 3. yt muste needes folow / that the churche determining flatly / that none shall be receiued to the ministery before those yeares / shuttethe the doore off the ministerie vnto those / to whom the worde off God settethe yt open. And also / that this Councell is altogether owte off place alledged: considering that it determined not off this / as off a thinge wheroff the Scripture had not giuen sentence / but as off a thinge vnlawfull by the Scripture / and for that purpose it alledgethe the example off our Sauiour Christe / which preached not before he was 30. yeare oulde. Thes thinges daungerously set downe