A18080:218
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
And where the Ans. would make peradventure the reader believe / that by the words off policy and government left to the judgement off the church, Calvin meaneth / to make thes points in controversy at the churches disposition: it shall appear / both by his several sentences of thes things / that he holdeth them unchangeable / and by the exposition off M Beza his words / the same in effect with thes off Master Calvin / which cometh after to be considered.
And where the Ans. woulde make peraduēture the reader beleue / that by the wordes off pollicie and gouernement lefte to the iudgement off the church, Caluin meaneth / to make thes pointes in cōtrouersie at the churches disposition: it shall appeare / bothe by his seuerall sentences of thes thinges / that he holdethe them vnchangeable / and by the exposition off M Beza his wordes / the same in effect with thes off Maister Caluin / which cometh after to be considered.
It remaineth that seeing the answerer would oppress us / with the authority off the fathers. We consider / whether there can be any fitter places brought / for the maintenance off the Admonition / then the A. hath alleged for him. Augustin / Whether it be question off Christ, or whether it 1be question off his church, or off what thing soever the question be off: I say not if we, but if an angel from heaven, shall tell us any thing beside that you have received in the scriptures under the law, and the gospel, let him be accursed. And lest the Answ. should restrain this general saying unto the doctrine of the gospel / so that he would thereby shut out the discipline: let him hear what Cyprian saith. The 2Christian religion (saith he) shall find that out off this scripture, rules off all doctrines have sprung, and that from hence doth spring and hither doth return, whatsoever the Ecclesiastical discipline doth contain. And even Tertull himself / before he was imbrued with this heresy off Montanus / giveth testimony unto the discipline / in