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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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To the argument which I used / that if Augustine would have us do those things / which the Apostles used in the churches ⟨p. XC⟩/ not committed to writing: then much more he would have been off advise / that we should keep that / which is committed to writing / touching their government off the church: he answereth nothing.
To the argument which I vsed / that iff Augustine would haue vs doo those thinges / which the Apostels vsed in the churches ⟨p. XC⟩/ not committed to writing: then muche more he would haue bene off aduise / that we should kepe that / which is committed to writing / towching their gouernement off the church: he answereth nothing.
In the third division pag. 107. to that I found fault with / off the second rule off Augustine / which is / that it is madness, ether not to keep, or to reason off that, which is universally observed off the church: he answereth / that was a rule for Augustine's time, and not for all times. Wherein / he first condemneth him self / off wandering from the cause: which to show / that some thing may be established in our church / not commanded in the scripture / allegeth a rule that belongeth not unto us. Then it is manifest / how helpless a shift this is / considering that the rule is general / and as generally given / as any other the rules / which the A. commendeth unto us / out off Augustine. Beside that I alleged / that even in August. time / it was wicked to give any such authority / to the decree / or custom of men / as not to enquire into it: which because he durst not deny / he left unanswered. And whereas he addeth / if it be not repugnant to the word: I showed that Augustine / could have no such meaning: which although he confess in one word / contrary to that which he set down: yet in the same page (lest the truth should get any victory at his hands) he doth in effect deny it. For he saith / that Aug. hath sundry times in such rules, made this exception, if they be not against faith, &c. Where it is manifest / that this exception is of those rules / which are diversly observed / and which he openly opposeth / unto this rule / and such as this is / off the necessary observation off things.