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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
The Answer to the last place off Aug. was needless / being the same with the third / which I subscribed unto. The answer to your conclusion / had been superfluous: I having before declared / wherein I agree with you / and wherein I withstand you. And whereas I lay to his charge / that he fetcheth rules out off the writings of men, to square the Ceremonies by, which he might have had in the word of god, here certain, and altogether true, which are there uncertain, and in part untrue: he answereth / that he brought them not for that purpose. wherein / beside that he calleth them rules / his answer is directly against that / which he hath set down. For he (chap. 1. division 9. pag. 94.) making his beginning off the sentence off Saint Paul / which he saith is a rule for the church / to examine her ceremonies by pursueth the self same point ⟨p. XCII⟩unto this place. And where he saith / they are meet for a Divine to know: it is no answer / considering that it may be profitable / for a Divine to know many things / which it is dangerous to propound unto the church / much more to propound them / as rules to ground the churches laws upon.
The Answer to the laste place off Aug. was needeles / being the same with the third / vvhich I subscribed vnto. The answer to your conclusion / had bene superfluous: I hauing before declared / vvherein I agree vvith yowe / ād vvherein I withstand yow. And vvhereas I laye to his charge / that he fetcheth rules ovvt off the vvritinges of mē, to square the Ceremonies by, vvhich he might haue had in the vvord of god, here certeine, ād altogether true, vvhich are there vncerteine, ād in part vntrue: he answereth / that he browght thē not for that pourpose. wherein / beside that he calleth thē rules / his answer is directly against that / which he hath set downe. For he (chap. 1. diuision 9. pag. 94.) making his beginning off the sentence off Saint Paul / which he saithe is a rule for the church / to examine her ceremonies by pursueth the selfe same point ⟨p. XCII⟩vnto this place. And where he saithe / they are meete for a Diuine to know: yt is no answer / considering that yt may be profitable / for a Diuine to know many thinges / which yt is daungerous to propound vnto the church / muche more to propound them / as rules to grownd the churches lawes vppon.