A18080:272
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
As for the other reason / it is most false. For the lord, punish the one sin / by other since / by death in this world / and by death in the world to come, it is also a false ground off the Pelagian heretic / wherewith he would prove / that our original corruption is no sin / which can deserve the wrath off God. And as the former part fight the for the Papists / and for the Pelagians: so this other / standeth for the Anabaptists / men whom the answerer pretendeth / to have war with / but to whom in deed / he ministereth weapons (such as they be) to fight against the truth. For if this be not Anabaptisticall / that there is no bodily punishment laid upon public offenders under the gospel, and that whatsoever offence he commit, if he show tokens off repentance, he may be delivered from bodily punishment: I know not what is Anabaptism For what murderer is there / what traitor / &c. which although he be never so unrepentant / and obstinate in his sin having heard tell off the answerers gracious pardon / will not enforce himself / to show all tokens off repentance? which if he do / the eye off mens judgement being not able to pierce further / then to thes outward signs: they must have him for repentant / although he remain the same which before. And if there be one such sentence / in all either the admonition / or my reply / so injurious to the office off the magistrate / so pernicious unto all manner of common wealths / as this is: we refuse not (that I may also promise for the Admonitors) to be taken as enemies / unto the magistrate and as overturners off common wealths. For this is the sword (which S. Paul put in the magistrates hand 1/ to be drawn not of pleasure / but off duty / not against the unrepentant only but against the unrighteousness off those which shall publicly offend whatsoever) either stricken clean ⟨p. CIX⟩out of his hand: or else if ante remain / it is more worthy to be called the sign off the sword / then the sword. Now if two notable errors / be able to prove one truth: he may be thought to have brought something / for the justifying off this pulling down off the wall off the common wealth. But if it must needs be false / which hath nothing to lean upon but error: I doubt not but as the untruth of it doth by it self appear:
As for the other reason / yt is moste false. For the lorde, punishe the one synne / by other synnes / by deathe in this worlde / and by deathe in the worlde to come, yt is also a false grounde off the Pelagian heretike / wherwithe he woulde proue / that our original corruption is no synne / whiche can deserue the wrathe off God. And as the former parte fighte the for the Papistes / and for the Pelagians: so this other / standethe for the Anabaptistes / men whom the aswerer pretendethe / to haue war withe / but to whom in deede / he ministrethe weapons (suche as they be) to fighte againste the trewthe. For yf this be not Anabaptisticall / that there is no bodily punishemente laide vpon publike offenders vnder the gospell, and that whatsoeuer offence he committe, if he shewe tokens off repentance, he maye be deliuered from bodylie punishemente: I knowe not what is Anabaptisme For what murtherer is there / what traitor / &c. whiche althoughe he be neuer so vnrepentante / and obstinate in his synne hauinge hearde tell off the answerers gracious pardon / will not enforce himselfe / to shewe all tokens off repentance? whiche if he doo / the eie off mens iudgemente beinge not hable to perce further / then to thes owtwarde signes: they muste haue him for repentante / althowghe he remaine the same whiche before. And if there be one suche sentence / in all either the admonition / or my replie / so iniurious to the office off the magistrate / so pernicious vnto all manner of common welthes / as this is: wee refuse not (that I maye also promise for the Admonitors) to be taken as enemies / vnto the magistrate and as ouerturners off common welthes. For this is the sworde (whiche S. Paule put in the magistrates hande