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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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And where he saith / that this sentence off Cyril, may Minister occasion of quarrelling unto such as be disposed: I answer / that there can be no peace with this sentence / but by betraying the truth: and that the untruth of it is so apparent / that all the patched shifts which he hath / shall never be able to hide it. But howsoever it be (saith he) this is evident. What: forsooth that the quantity off sin is not to be esteemed, according to the external punishment. Howe is it evident / by what word / or by what sentence? if the authority off the sentence fall: if it consisting upon two parts / have never a one true: if in that very point for which it is alleged / it is most false: where is your Howe so ever? you are a dangerous adversary to deal with all / for whether the proofs you bring be true / or whether they be false: they fall still upon your side.
And where he saithe / that this sentence off Cyrill, maie Minister occasion of quarrelinge vnto suche as be disposed: I answere / that there can be no peace withe this sentence / but by betrayinge the trewthe: and that the vntrewthe of yt is so apparante / that all the patched shiftes whiche he hathe / shall neuer be hable to hide yt. But howsoeuer yt be (saithe he) this is euidente. What: forsooth that the quantitie off synne is not to be estemed, accordinge to the externall punishmente. Howe is it euidente / by what worde / or by what sentence? yff the autoritie off the sentence fall: iff it consistinge vppon two partes / haue neuer a one trewe: yff in that verie poincte for whiche yt is alledged / yt is moste false: where ys your Howe so euer? yow are a daūgerous aduersarie to deale withe al / for whether the profes yowt bringe be trewe / or whether they be false: they fall still vpon your syde.
But if the heinousness of the sin / be not to be esteemed according to the corporal punishment: whereby is it then to be esteemed? according (say you) unto the commandment of god, according to the threats of god pronounced against it. As though it were not the commandment off God / that there should be bodily punishment: and as though the civill punishments in this world / were not part off those threats / wherewith the lord threateneth the breakers of his law. You make therefore an opposition / where none is: And it is all one as if you had said / the corn may not be moten with a bushel / but with a measure. For as the bushel / is one measure: so is the corporal punishment / both one off the commandments / and off the threats