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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Tract. 2. and 3. according to the D. Off election of the minister.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Therefore to let pass the offices off charge in the common wealth: for the Ecclesiastical charges / which her majesty bestoweth / although they be off the greatest port: yet they will appear / not off the greatest charge. unless you mean charge actively / that is to say great charge / and unprofitable burden unto the church / not bearing the church / but borne of it / even almost to the breaking off her back. And those also (as I think) are not chosen off the prince alone, but named only / and chosen off the canons off that sea / whereof he is to be appointed bishop / and confirmed ⟨p. CXXXIII⟩off the Archbishop. But let it be here observed / that Master D. seemeth by affirmation off this thing (although falsely) without saying any thing against it / to give the election off the bishop only unto the Prince: which if he may do in the bishops / which he taketh head ministers: much more may he do it / in the other ecclesiastical orders / which he accounteth under the bishop. here first I would know / whether he will stand to this / or no: or whether having nothing to answer / he used this for a shift. Then whether the Bishops will take in good part / this translation of the church right into the hands of the civil magistrate: and whether for there temporalties / as it were for a mess of rise pottage / they will suffer the churches inheritance to be thus riotously alienated: to be offered where it is not asked / to be given where it is not received. And if they be content to part from this if need be / that they may keep the other: or be content that master D. forward off his proctorship / should have the disposing off it at his pleasure: then I shall have something more to say in this behalf.
Therefore to let passe the offices off charge in the com̄on wealth: for the Ecclesiasticall charges / which her maiestie bestoweth / althowghe they be off the greateste porte: yet they will appeare / not off the greatest charge. vnlesse yow meane charge actiuely / that is to saye great charge / and vnprofitable burden vnto the churche / not bearinge the churche / but borne of yt / euen almoste to the breakinge off her backe. And those also (as I thinke) are not chosen off the prince alone, but named onlie / and chosen off the canons off that sea / wheroff he is to be appointed bishoppe / and confirmed ⟨p. CXXXIII⟩off the Archbishoppe. But lett yt be here obserued / that Maister D. seemeth by affirmation off this thing (although falsely) without saying any thing against yt / to gïue the election off the bishop onely vnto the Prince: whiche if he maie doe in the bishopes / whiche he taketh head ministers: muche more maie he doe it / in the other ecclesiasticall orders / which he accounteth vnder the bishope. here first I woulde knowe / wether he will stande to this / or no: or whether hauing nothinge to answere / he vsed this for a shifte. Then whether the Bishopes will take in good parte / this translatiō of the churche righte into the handes of the ciuil magistrate: ād whether for there tēporalties / as it wer for a messe of rise potage / they will suffer the churches inheritaunce to be thus riotowsly alienated: to be offered where yt is not asked / to be geuen where it is not receiued. And iff they be contente to parte from this iff need be / that they maie kepe thother: or be contente that maister D. forrewarde off his proctorshipp / shoulde haue the disposing off it at his pleasure: then I shall haue something more to saie in this behalfe.