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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Tract. 2. and 3. according to the D. Off election of the minister.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
The prophet speaking off churches which should be gathered 1under the gospel / saith / that the earth shall be full of the knowledge off God / as the waters which cover the sea: the accomplishment whereof may appear in all places / where there is any teaching minister / which doth the office of a faithful pastor. I could a great deal easier / bear the reproaches which you utter against me: but when I hear you thus rail upon the lords host / so indefinitely speaking of the churches of God / you are untollerable. yet if I should speak against this / as oft as you give occasion: I should never have done. And if nether you vvill cease this language / nor those that should look unto it / vvill stop this incircumcised mouth: I vvill commit the cause unto the lord / and wait for his judgement.
The prophet speaking off churches which should be gathered 1vnder the gospell / saithe / that the earthe shall be full of the knowledge off God / as the waters vvhich couer the sea: the accomplishment wheroff maie appeare in all places / where there is any teaching minister / which dothe the office of a faithfull pastor. I coulde a great deale easelier / beare the reproches which you vtter againste me: but vvhen I heare yow thus raile vppon the lordes hoste / so indefinitely speakīge of the churches of God / yow are vntollerable. yet if I shoulde speake againste this / as oft as yow giue occasion: I shoulde neuer haue doone. And if nether yow vvill ceasse this language / nor those that shoulde looke vnto yt / vvill stope this incircumcised mouthe: I vvill commit the cause vnto the lorde / and vvaite for his iudgement.
Off the means of an exact examination off the ability off the pastor / with out the help off the lord bishop / is spoken in an other place: where shall be examined / what the D. hath to say. It hath appeared how untrue it is that the Deacon is superior / or hath moe gifts than the rest of the body of the church. And besides that it shall appear in place / a most absurd saying / that the deacon is above that elder which I mean (for I mean the same / which S. Paul meaneth) there was no occasion at all here to speak / off the superiority off a deacon unto a senior. For ether he ought to prove a deacon / above a pastor: or else he hath said nothing / to that which is in question.