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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
His accusations / which touch the cause follow: where abridging the magistrates authority / often repeated but never proved / shall be seen in the proper places. There / shall appear that I have brought it into no smaller room: then the word off God hath shut it / and the best learned and godliest writers both new and old have plainly taught of it. In which point / let it be also here observed: how there be no words so fenced against all cavils / which the D. vvill not assay to deprave. For where I cited examples to prove / that men are said to do things whereof they 1are the chief and principal and not the only doers / and amongest them alleged that off Moses which appointed officers by 2the peoples consent: he feareth not to say / that I thereby push at the civil magistrate, and insinuate that the prince may not appoint under officers without the peoples election. But let him answer / what is the instrument wherewith (I will not say) I push: but so much as touch it with my little finger? is it because I say / those governors were chosen with consent of the people? the scripture (as is after showed) doth manifestly prove it. Or did I ever teach it in pulpit / 3mention it in disputation / defend it in talk / whereby these words might with more likelihood / be haled unto such a sense? what would this man have done (trow you) if I had (as Master Bullinger doth) upon that place of Moses concluded / that the peoples consent / ought to be in the election off their Pastor. Not unlike to this / is that whereby (upon a rule brought and applied as well by other learned men / as by me to the Ecclesiastical election) he ⟨image 10⟩would insinuate: that I meant it should be translated to the civill estate. Where appeareth: that there is no spark off equity in him. For if the rule were given generally / then my applying of it only / to Ecclesiastical elections / doth rather call it from being understanded off the civil: if it be given of it alone / then it is clear that I used it accordingly. Beside that I have showed / that it is far otherwise in the civill then in the Ecclesiastical government: and that things unlawful in one / are notwithstanding lawful in the other. But thus must I restore that I never toke: and be