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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Tract. 2. and 3. according to the D. Off election of the minister.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Where you say / that he must off necessity be admitted into the ministry, before they can give any judgement of his ability in teaching &c. In ⟨p. CLI⟩deed I hear you speak sentences / and looked for some arguments for the confirmation off that / which condemneth the order off divers churches / which for better trial off their ministers / give them some piece off scripture to interpret. They have been moved with some reason: and will you cast it away with a word. But the order of trying his gift off expounding / is good / and for the most part necessary. For although it may be perceived by questioning shortly with him / what his understanding is in the mystery off Christ: yet his utterance / disposition / and memory (gifts necessary for a minister) can not be tried / but by such a proof or by long acquaintance with him: which can be seldom between the ordainers / and him that is to be ordained. And if in well ordered cities / there is no man admitted to set up in any mystery / onlesse he have offered to the Masters off the company / some work for a masterpiece / and declaration that he hath skill / in that he will open his shop for: how much more in the ministry off God / ought it to be provided / that before he be allowed to work / in the great mystery off our salvation / and lay hand to the framing of the silver vessels of the church off God: the masters off the company especially (which are the Elders off the church) being best able to judge / ought to have trial / how he handleth the golden hammer off the word off God.
Where yowe say / that he muste off necessitie be admitted into the ministerie, before they can gyue any iudgemēt of his abilitie in teaching &c. In ⟨p. CLI⟩deede I heare yow speake sentences / and looked for some argumentes for the confirmation off that / which condemneth the order off diuers churches / which for better triall off their ministers / giue them some pece off scripture to interprete. They haue bene moued with some reason: and will yow cast yt awaie with a worde. But the order of trying his gifte off expounding / is good / and for the moste parte necessarie. For althowghe yt may be perceiued by questioning shortly with him / what his vnderstanding is in the misterie off Christ: yet his vtterance / disposition / and memorie (giftes necessarie for a minister) can not be tried / but by suche a profe or by long acquaintaunce with him: which can be seldome betwene the ordeiners / and him that is to be ordeined. And iff in well ordered cities / ther is no man admitted to set vpp in any mysterie / onlesse he haue offered to the Maisters off the companie / some worke for a masterpeece / and declaration that he hathe skil / in that he will open his shop for: how muche more in the ministerie off God / owght it to be prouided / that before he be allowed to worke / in the great misterie off our saluation / and laye hand to the framyng of the siluer vessels of the church off God: the maisters off the companie especially (whiche are the Elders off the church) being best able to iudge / owght to haue triall / how he handleth the goulden hammer off the word off God.