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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Tract. 2. and 3. according to the D. Off election of the minister.
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I grant / there be some acts of our Saviour Christ / and other godly men in the scripture / which being commendable in them / would not be so in us: they having some either extraordinary spirit / or commandment which we have not. Off which sort / I doubt not but Master Zuinglius meant this sentence / which you allege: As would have been easily seen / if you had quoted the place. I think he hath been alleged / and quoted above forty times before / and never a sentence that maketh either hot / or could to the matters in controversy / or which might once provoke me to look whether they were so / or no: this only place was somewhat material / and here it is not quoted. But to come again to those extraordinary facts: I say / that as the spoiling off the Egyptians by the Israelites at the commandment off God / and the killing of Cosby / and Zamry by Phinehas / through the ⟨p. CLVIII⟩inspiration off the spirit off God / can not let us from teaching generally that theft is unlawful / that the Magistrate only ought to punish public malefactors: so those few Acts which done of our Sau. Christ / the Apostles / and other godly men / are not to be followed off us / : can not let us to teach generally / that there Godly deeds which lie in us to do / ought to be followed. And as I may reason notwithstanding those examples / that he is a these / because he hath taken that which an other hath laboured for against his will / and he is a murderer / because he hath slain a malefactor / being no magistrate for that purpose: so I may say he doth well / for so our Sau. Christ did / so did the patriarchs: and he doth evil / for our Saviour Christ / the Apostles / the patriarchs did otherwise in that case. And he that shall deny this argument / without showing some special / and manifest reason / Wherefore it was lawful for the one to do that / which was not for the other: he is unworthy to be a scholar in the divinity schools much less Doctor. If therefore the Ans. would have by any Good order / put me from the possession of this place: he should have showed / that S. Paul of some special occasion / which falleth not into our ministry / used this circumspection in taking such a cloud off witnesses / for the assurance off Timothy's good behaviour: or that there is some general rule / and commandment to the contrary.
I graunt / there be some actes of our Sauiour Christ / and other godlie men in the scripture / vvhich being commendable in them / would not be so in vs: they hauinge some either extraordinarie spirite / or commaundement vvhich we haue not. Off which sort / Idowbte not but Maister Zuinglius mente this sentence / which yow alleadge: As would haue bene easely seene / yf yow had quoted the place. I think he hathe bene alledged / ād quoted aboue fortie times before / and neuer a sentēce that maketh either whot / or coulde to the matters in controuersie / or which might once prouoke me to look whether they were so / or noo: this onely place was somewhat materiall / and here it is not quoted. But to come againe to those extraordinarie factes: I saie / that as the spoilinge off the Egyptians by the Israelites at the commaundemēt off God / and the killinge of Cosby / and Zamry by Phinchas / throwghe the