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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Tract. 2. and 3. according to the D. Off election of the minister.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
But Christ knew Judas to be a traitor, and yet he did not depose him: so he knew him to be a traitor / when he chose him. Therefore if this be a good reason / that a traitor to God and the gospel should not be deposed: it hath the same force to prove / that a traitor may be chosen to the ministry. Moreover / Judas was admitted to the lords supper / therefore if this reason will serve to prove / that a traitor should not be deposed: it is good to prove / that he may be also received to the lords table. Judas treason was as yet hidden / there were no witnesses off it / and therefore by no law off God / either civill / or ecclesiastical / could be proceeded against. For the law off God in all ecclesiastical / and civill punishments / requireth either confession by the party / off the fault which is committed / or else proof by witness.
But Christ knewe Iudas to be a traytor, and yet he did not depose him: so he knewe him to be a traitor / when he chose him. Therfore if this be a good reason / that a traitor to God and the gospell should not be deposed: it hathe the same force to proue / that a traitor may be chosen to the ministerie. Moreouer / Iudas was admitted to the lordes supper / therfore if this reason will serue to proue / that a traitor should not be deposed: yt is good to proue / that he may be also receiued to the lordes table. Iudas treason was as yet hidden / there were no witnesses off it / and therfore by no law off God / either ciuill / or ecclesiasticall / could be proceaded against. For the law off God in all ecclesiasticall / and ciuill punishmentes / requireth either confession by the partie / off the faulte vvhiche is committed / or els profe by witnesse.
He proceedeth saying that the Scribes, and Pharisees criminous &c. are commanded to be hard in the chair, &c. Good lord be merciful unto us / whether vvill this man goo? vvill he have traitors unto Christ / sworn / open / and professed enemies unto the gospel / to have charge in the church off God / and not to be deposed? for whether can these examples tend else? our Saviour Christ commanded the people that they should be heard / in that they said truly out off the law / and that their faults should not hinder them / to embrace that which they taught well. What is that to our