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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Tract. 2. and 3. according to the D. Off election of the minister.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Touching the wiping a way off Ambrose example, I did it first in place: which your gloss denieth. For proving that no new convert / 1should be chosen to the ministry / although our Saviour Christ did choose S. Paul / Ambrose example stood in the way: and therefore I gave him in deed the wipe / but it was with the sword off God. His choice was also / against the allowed practise off the church / if you know whose voice this is: yester day catechised, to day a bishop. Where he marvelleth / that 2so plain a precept off S. Paul is not kept / and calleth them sudden, and momentany minsters, which are so made. And albeit that some differed their baptism, long after their conversion, and in deed to the time off death: yet you do not show / that Ambrose was in that •••ber. If he were / you fasten thereby greater ignorance ⟨p. CLXXXI⟩upon him / then I have done: who (you say) speak contemptuously off him. Besides it is one thing not to be baptized, and another thing to be catechumenus. For those which were not baptized / being sufficiently instructed / were admitted to the supper off the lord: but in that it is said / Ambrose was Cathecumenus, 3is declared / that he was not yet sufficiently instructed / in the principles of religion. Whatsoever it is / I say it could not be without great disorder / that a man should be chosen governor off the city / which had never tasted off the water thereof. I know Ambrose was a notable man / and learned in human knowledge: yet I might without either great disgrace / or any contempt / say that which I said. And if this were the place for it: I could easily show upon how good ground I said / that it had been safer for the church, he had been better instructed in the scriptures, before he occupied the place off Doctor. Whereunto I could use his own testimony / which saith / 4that he was constrained to teach / that which he himself had not learned.
Towching the wyping a waie off Ambrose example, I did it firste in place: which yowr glosse denieth. For prouing that no newe conuerte /