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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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He should also understand / that this proportion is uneven / and that if it were granted which he desireth: yet he is not where he would be. For if it were lawful / for the Apostles endued with extraordinary gifts off discretion off spirits / to choose: it followeth not therefore that one Bishop may do so. And because it was lawful for the 12. Apostles / to choose them with whom they were daily conversant: therefore it is lawful for one bishop to choose those / which he never see / nor knew before?
He shoulde also vnderstande / that this proportion is vneuen / and that if yt were granted whiche he desyrethe: yet he is not where he woulde be. For iff it were lawfull / for the Apostels indued with extraordinarie giftes off discretion off spirites / to chuse: yt foloweth not therfore that one Bishopp may doo so. And because yt was lawfull for the 12. Apostels / to chuse them withe whome they were dailie conuersante: therfore it is lawfull for one bishoppe to chuse those / whiche he neuer see / nor knewe before?
Before I goo any further / it is to be observed / that although 1the Ans. hold out in the defence off this cause / off election by the Bishop / certain words of learned men / racked from their meaning / and contrary to the continual practise off the authors: yet the truth is / that as this assertion is the Papists / and Papists against the Protestants: so all his principal both arguments / and solutions have been word for word / ministered unto him out off the books / off the rankest enemies off the truth. 2If the reader will see this question deduced at large / between the catholics / and the papists: let him read Hosius / and Phigius / in thes books which I have noted. I will only note the places whence the Ans. arguments are fetched / with his starting holes wherewith he would abuse the world. And first off all Marsilius a Catholic / whom the lord had stirred up to maintain the truth off the Gospel / About the time off Pope John the 12. disputing against the sole election off the bishop: useth this reason which we have here in hand / namely / that forasmuch as the church chose here Deacons / as it appeareth in the Acts: therefore it ought much more choose her ministers. This reason Phigius (as the D) derideth: no more able to answer it then he.