A18080:444
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
I leave here to speak of the difference of bishop / and Apostle / off twelve / and one: which being observed in the former section / needeth no rehearsal. And as this maketh nothing for the election off the bishop: so it maketh against that / for the which this place is brought. For if master Zuing. had been off that judgement / that Paul / and Barnabas did by them selves choose / without the church: he would likely have brought that example / considering that this can not be properly called any election to the Ministry / which was off those which were ministers before.
I leue here to speake of the difference of bishop / and Apostel / off twelue / and one: whiche beinge obserued in the former section / needeth no rehersall. And as this maketh nothinge for the election off the bishope: so yt maketh against that / for the whiche this place is browghte. For iff maister Zuing. had bene off that iudgemente / that Paule / and Barnabas did by them selues chuse / withowte the churche: he woulde likely haue browghte that example / cōsideringe that this can not be properly called any election to the Mynistrie / whiche was off those which were ministers before.
But that you may yet better know the D. unfaithful dealing / joined with shameless boldness off alleging authoritice: I will set down Master Zwinglius judgement in this cause / which he uttereth in divers places off that book / out off which ⟨p. CXCVI⟩the D. hath alleged this: but most manifestly / within less then a dozen lines of the place / from whence he rent this. Having inveighed against the Popish election / both for that in it one bishop hath all the power / and for the unworthiness off those which were chosen: he addeth / it seemeth therefore, that there is nothing so agreeable to the ordinance off god, and to 1the old institution, as that all the whole church off the faithful amongest a people, together with certain learned, and godlie bishopes, ad other faithful men having skill in things, should choose a pastor. and a little after / Let therefore thes proud bishops, and foolish Abbots goo shake their ears, for it is convenient that the right off the election, should be in the power off the church off the faithful, instructed by the counsels off learned men. for as that matter ought not to be in the power of one: so ought not the rude, and unlearned multitude, challenge unto it self alone, so great weight off the election, &c.