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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
in the next verse he saith / that the people accepted that commandment / and thought off it as a thing equal. Therefore it is most untrue / that they returned it into Moses hands again: for then they would have answered / that it was not meet for him / to commit the election unto them / but rather for the wisdom wherein he excelled / to do it him self.
in the nexte verse he saithe / that the people accepted that commaundmente / and thowght off yt as a thinge equall. Therfore it is moste vntrwe / that they retourned yt into Moyses handes againe: for then they woulde haue answered / that yt was not meete for hym / to committe the election vnto them / but rather for the wisdome wherin he excelled / to doo yt him selfe.
And where the D. reasoneth off the 15. verse / upon the words I toke, &c. that phrase doth rather overthrow his purpose / then confirm it: for it seemeth to have a relation / to the giving / and presenting of those which they they had chosen. And the very same Phrase is used afterwards in the 23. vers. of the spies which were sent to spy the land: which notwithstanding were not only sent off Moses / but off the people also / as appeareth in the 22. verse / and in the book off numbers: where the lord doth not 1only attribute / this sending off spies / unto Moses: but unto the people. Moses gave no further authority unto them: then they which in ecclesiastical elections / ordain those which were chosen before / and confirm the elections which are made. Therefore as those ordinations exclude not the authority off election: so this confirmation off Moses / did not devour that power off election / which he had gyued them: but their elections / and his confirmation / made up a full creation of those governors. Touching the false accusation off pushing at the magistrate / I have answered.
And where the D. reasoneth off the 15. verse / vpon the wordes I toke, &c. that phrase dothe rather ouerthrowe his purpose / then cōfirme yt: for it semethe to haue a relation / to the gyuinge / ād presentinge of those whiche they they had chosen. And the very same Phrase is vsed afterwardes in the 23. vers. of the spies whiche were sente to spie the lande: which notwithstandinge were not onely sente off Moyses / but off the people also / as appeareth in the 22. verse / and in the booke off numbers: where the lorde doothe not