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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Let us now see what the Ans. hath to say against those reasons / whereby I show that S. Luke by lifting up off hands, meant properly the election by voices. I may not (saith he) teach the holy ghost to speak: God forbid I should go about it. But shall not he which made the mouth speak / and he which teacheth all other to speak properly / speak properly him self? I do not therefore teach the holy ghost to speak, which apply his words to make them agree with the things they signify: but your opinion supposeth want off knowledge off the tongue in the holy ghost / which would have him signify laying down / by lifting up. And where you say I trifle, because he that layeth on his hands, must first lift them up, or ever he can lay them on: who trifleth in this point let all judge. For who doth not understand / that the name is usually given off the principal / and nearest action wherewith it is done: and not off those actions which are far off / accidental / or for the cause / and sake off the principal. And it is all on / as if a man should call the taking off a knife into his hand / cutting off bread: because he that cutteth bread / must before take the knife into his hand.
Let vs now see what the Ans. hath to say against those reasons / wherby I shew that S. Luke by lifting vp off handes, ment properly the election by voices. I may not (saithe he) teache the holie goste to speake: God forbid I should goe abowte yt. But shall not he whiche made the mouthe speake / and he whiche teacheth all other to speake properly / speake properly him selfe? I doo not therfore teache the holy goste to speake, whiche applie his words to make them agree withe the thinges they signifie: but yowr opinion supposeth wante off knowledge off the tonge in the holy goste / whiche woulde haue hym signify layinge downe / by liftinge vp. And where yow saie I trifle, becawse he that laieth on his handes, muste firste lifte them vpp, or euer he can laie them on: who trifleth in this poincte let all iudge. For who dothe not vnderstande / that the name is vsually giuen off the principall / and nearest action wherwithe it is doon: and not off those actions whiche are farr off / accidentall / or for the cause / and sake off the principall. And yt is all on / as if a man should call the takinge off a knife into his hande / cuttinge off breade: because he that cutteth breade / muste before take the knife into his hande.