A18080:544
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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The distinction of being of the church, and in the church, I brought / and allowed of it: yet as though you had brought 1it / and I refused it / you labour in confirmation of it. But that which needeth your help / and for proof whereof I ask some testimony of scripture / that Idolaters, and papists are in the church, is not proved. As for drunkards / and whoremongers / 2c. It is spoken off before: close papists / and Atheists which dissemble their wickedness / are in the number off Hypocrites / and therefore must be holden to be in the church / until the Lord discover them. For professed Papists / and Atheists / which never made profession off the gospel / it is not needful to wait for the sentence off excommunication to cut them of / seeing they were never of the church. If notwithstanding their professed enmity unto the gospel, they should be accounted off the church, because they agree to hear the word and receive the sacrament with us: then a Turk / or a Jew professing his Turkism / or Judaism / if he be contented to hear the word / and receive the Sacrament / is so also to be accounted. Which if it be absurd / it can be no good reason to say / that they ought therefore to be holden off the church / because they are in some respects content to he are the word / and receive the Sacraments.
The distinction of being of the churche, and in the church, I browghte / and allowed of it: yet as thowgh yow had browght 1it / and I refused it / yow labour in confirmation of it. But that which needeth yowr helpe / and for proofe wherof I aske some testimonie of scripture / that Idolaters, and papistes are in the church, is not proued. As for dronkardes / and whoremongers / 2c. Yt is spoken off before: close papistes / and Atheistes which dissemble their vvickednes / are in the nomber off Hipocrites / and therfore muste be holden to be in the church / vntil the Lorde discouer them. For professed Papistes / and Atheistes / which neuer made profession off the gospell / it is not needefull to waite for the sentence off excomnnication to cut them of / seinge they vver neuer of the church. If notwithstandinge their professed enemitie vnto the gospell, they should be accounted off the church, because they agree to heare the worde and receiue the sacrament with vs: then a Turcke / or a Iew professinge his Turkisme / or Iudaisme / if he be contented to heare the worde / and receiue the Sacrament / is so also to be accoumpted. Which if it be absurd / it can be no good reason to saie / that they owghte therfore to be holden off the churche / because they are in some respectes contente to he are the worde / and receiue the Sacramentes.