A18080:545
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
And I would gladly learn / where the Lord hath willed us / so to caste away the use of our judgement / that when men make open profession that they are members off the body of the Pope / which is Antichrist / yet we must account off them as off members off Christ: or how this is to judge justly. You 1are very unfaithful in reporting my words continually. I nether say / that Hypocrites only are in the church, and not of it: and the place in the margin / I allege to another purpose then 2you affirm / that is / to prove that the papists / and Idolaters ⟨p. CCXLVI⟩being without / have not to do with the church / nor the church with them. where you would prove by those words / if any brother be an Idolater, that Idolaters may be in the church: you must understand / first that it is one case off him that hath given his name to the gospel / and afterward slideth from that profession to Idolatry: and another of him which never gave it / but hath been from his infancy an Idolater. For although the first can not be severed from the church / without solemn sentence of excommunication / because by a public profession off the truth / he was once received into the body thereof: yet there is not like reason off him / which was never so settled. And this difference Saint Paul doth make / when he giveth leave to a Christian to 3have to do with an Idolater of the world / that is which hath not been of the church: and yet will not suffer him to have to do with one / which is famously known (for so the the word signifieth) 4to be a brother. Whereupon followeth / that forasmuch as our Idolaters professing their popery still / are not / nor can not be famously known for professors off the gospel: this place of S. Paul openeth no door for them / to enter into the church.
And I vvoulde gladly learne / where the Lord hath vvilled vs / so to caste awaie the vse of our iudgement / that when men make open profession that they are members off the bodie of the Pope / which is Antchriste / yet wee muste accounte off them as off members off Christe: or howe this is to iudge iustlie. Yow