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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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That one church should admonish another, and that there are 1many Hypocrites under persecution, is before showed. Off wicked ministers which had their followers / and lovers in the churches of God / which notwithstanding keeping the profession off the gospel / were in danger off the laws of the countries where they dwelt / is spoken off almost through all the epistles off Saint Paul. yea it may appear through out the whole course of the ecclesiastical stories / that many churches of Heretics partly Arians / partly Nestorians / and especially of the Novatians / were persecuted / and banished of heathen Emperors / together with the catholic church of Christ. And it appeareth plainly / by that which hath been of both parts alleged out of Cypr. that certain churches about him / did choose unmeet ministers. Therefore Master D. doth wonderfully forget him self / when he saith / that it is not like that the church in persecution will choose an unmeet, or wicked minister or that they which suffer persecution for the gospel, do it always off conscience, or off good conscience / whereof the question is. And if he vvill admit none off thes proses / yet if he stand unto his exposition off the parable of the sower in the 13. of Saint Matthew / forsomuch as (according to his saying) for one in the church which heareth profitably, three do the contrary: it must follow that even in the persecuted church / there must be thrice as many evil / as good. Onles peradventure he will say / that our S. Christ spake that off the estate off the church in time off the civill magistrate / which was spoken off the whole estate off the church / unto the worlds end: and especially to that present church / which was under the cross.
That one churche shoulde admonishe another, and that there are 1many Hypocrites vnder persequution, is before shewed. Off wicked ministers which had their followers / and louers in the churches of God / vvhich notwithstanding kepinge the profession off the gospell / were in daunger off the lawes of the contreis where they dwelte / is spoken off almoste throwghe all the epistles off Saint Paule. yea yt maie appeare throwgh owte the whole course of the ecclesiasticall stories / that many churches of Heretikes partly Arians / partly Nestorians / and especially of the Nouatians / were persequuted / and banished of heathen Emperours / together vvith the catholike church of Christe. And it appeareth plainly / by that which hath bene of both partes alledged owte of Cypr. that certein churches abowte him / did chuse vnmeet ministers. Therfore Maister D. doth wounderfully forget him selfe / when he saithe / that yt is not lyke that the churche in persequution will chuse an vnmeete, or wicked mynister or that they which suffer persequution for the gospell, doo yt allwaies off conscience, or off good conscience / wheroff the question is. And if he vvill admitte none off thes proses / yet if he stand vnto his exposition off the parable of the sower in the 13. of Sainct Mathew / forsomuch as (according to his saying) for one in the church which heareth profitablie, three doo the contrarie: yt muste follow that euen in the persequuted churche / there muste be thrise as manie euill / as good. Onles peraduenture he will saie / that our S. Christe spake that off the estate off the church in time off the ciuill magistrate / which was spoken off the whole estate off the churche / vnto the worldes end: and especially to that present churche / which was vnder the crosse.