The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

Is it true which you here affirm? can it not be otherwise ⟨p. CCLI⟩in the time off persecution, but that church offices must be chosen by common consent? Howe cometh then to pass / that you deny the election Acts 1. and 14. to have been made with the consent off the church? How happeneth it that you affirm / that Timothy. and Titus off their own authorities, without the consent ether off eldership / or people appointed ministers unto the churches, in Ephesus, and Creata? that in Cyprian's times (which were times of persecution) the election was made in some places without the people? verily he had need be a very cunning joiner / which should set the• together for the impossibility which you imagine / it is not such but that if the commodity of the church / and the institution off God had so suffered: the churches would have submitted them selves / and their voices in their elections / unto the order of one. And besides that christian humility / and love off advancing the truth for which they had forsaken all / would have let them to that submission there was Ecclesiastical discipline to drive them unto it. Onles they would rather quitteth church / which lightness doth not agree with the zeal / which you (for your advantage) ascribe unto a persecuted church.

Ys it trewe vvhich yow heere affirme? can yt not be otherwise ⟨p. CCLI⟩in the time off persequution, but that churche offices muste be chosen by common consent? Howe cometh then to passe / that yow denie the election Actes 1. and 14. to haue bene made with the consent off the churche? How happeneth yt that yow affirme / that Timothe. and Titus off their owne authorities, withowt the consente ether off eldershipp / or people appoincted ministers vnto the churches, in Ephesus, and Creata? that in Cyprians times (which were times of persequution) the electiō vvas made in some places vvithowt the people? verily he had need be a verie kun̄ing ioiner / which should set the• together for the impossibilitie which yow imagine / yt is not such but that if the commoditie of the churche / and the institution off God had so suffred: the churches woulde haue submitted them selues / and their voices in their elections / vnto the order of one. And besides that christian humilitie / and loue off aduancing the trwth for which they had forsaken all / woulde haue let them to that submission there was Ecclesiasticall discipline to driue them vnto it. Onles they woulde rather quittethe church / which lightnes doothe not agree with the zeale / which yow (for yowr aduantage) ascribe vnto a persequuted church.