The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

First therefore he saith / that as the election by the ⟨p. CCLXIIII⟩church endured until the time off Christian magistrates: so the election made by the church / and confirmed by the christian magistrate / endured until that time / that the bishop off Rome having wrong out / both from the Emperor / and the people their right in the election / took it all to him self. The D. denieth this stoutly. Secondarily Musculus maketh the disorders off elections by choosing unmeet persons / or by corruption through gifts / or partial favour / to begin then especially: when the election taken from the people / cam into the bishop of Rome / and his suffragans hands. The D. clean contrary / that thes disorders were especially / in the elections by the people: and best avoided / when the election is called to the will / and beck off one bishop. Thirdly Musc. maketh it an unlawful form off election / when it is made of the prince: but master D. saith / that it is in the princes power to make election off ministers him self if he will / or commit it to others if he list. Fourthly Musc. helping him self off the authority off Jerome / saith that there was no election in popery: because they were made without the knowledge off the people / and condemneth also the election of the bishops made by the Canons / for the same cause. But M. D. saith it is a most convenient / and sufficient election: which notwithstanding in that point / is all one with the election in popery. Last off all / wherein (lieth a great weight of this controversy) he doth not say simply / that this form off choice by the church is unmeet / and inconvenient for this age off he church: but that it could not be by and by / and out of hand restored: and after a little / that it could not be in all churches / by and by restored. Whereby he giveth to understand / that in some places it might be forthwith restored: and in other / all men ought endeavour to bring it in again / withal convenient speed. So appeareth that although Musculus be pretended: yet Pigghius / and Hosius be his storers.

First therfore he saithe / that as the election by the ⟨p. CCLXIIII⟩church endured vntill the time off Christian magistrates: so the election made by the church / and confirmed by the christian magistrate / endured vntill that time / that the bishoppe off Rome hauinge wronge owte / both from the Emperour / and the people their right in the election / tooke it all to him selfe. The D. denieth this stoutly. Secondarily Musculus maketh the disorders off electiōs by chusinge vnmeete persons / or by corruption throwghe giftes / or parciall fauour / to beginne then especially: when the election taken from the people / cam into the bishoppe of Rome / and his suffragans handes. The D. cleane contrary / that thes disorders were especially / in the elections by the people: and beste auoided / when the election is called to the will / and becke off one bishoppe. Thirdly Musc. maketh yt an vnlawfull forme off election / when yt is made of the prince: but maister D. saith / that yt is in the princes powre to make election off ministers him selfe if he will / or committe yt to others iff he liste. Fourthly Musc. helpinge him selfe off the authoritie off Ierome / saith that there was no election in poperie: becawse they were made without the knowledge off the people / and condemneth also the election of the bishopes made by the Canons / for the same cause. But M. D. saith yt is a moste conuenient / and sufficient election: which notwithstandinge in that poincte / is all one with the election in poperie. Last off all / wherin (lieth a great weight of this controuersie) he dooth not saie simply / that this forme off choise by the church is vnmeete / and inconuenient for this age off he churche: but that it coulde not be by and by / and out of hand restored: and after a litle / that it could not be in al churches / by and by restored. Wherby he gyuethe to vnderstand / that in some places yt might be forthwith restored: and in other / all men owght endeuour to bringe yt in againe / withall cōuenient speed. So appeareth that although Musculus be pretended: yet Pigghius / and Hosius be his storers.