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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Although the D. (as his use is) speaketh off one thing so 1often / and that in the same division / and with spaces put between / so that it is hard to give answer with any convenient understanding off the reader: yet I will as well as I can / refer his scattered sayings to certain heads. Whereof the first is / that he did not mean to prove by thes places off Timothy, and Titus, that the election belonged unto one man: Whereupon he chargeth me / with wilful depraving off his answer. It must be therefore considered / if we may hold this wet eel by the mouth. The Adm. saith / in the primitive church no minister was placed in the congregation but by consent off the people, but now that authority is given to the bishops hands alone: the D. answereth by the place off Timothy / and Titus. Now this being a commandment / and by his judgement both directed only to Tim. and Tit. and to them as bishops: it followeth that he hath taught ⟨p. CCLXVI⟩/ that Saint Paul commandeth that they / and in them all bishops / should only choose. Whereby are condemned all election by the church / as those which have intruded upon the bishops possession.
ALthowghe the D. (as his vse is) speaketh off one thinge so 1often / and that in the same diuision / and with spaces put betwene / so that yt is harde to giue answer with any conuenient vnderstandinge off the reader: yet I will as well as I can / referre his scattered sayinges to certeine heades. Wheroff the firste is / that he did not meane to proue by thes places off Timothe, and Titus, that the election belonged vnto one man: Wheruppon he chargeth me / with willfull deprauinge off his answer. Yt muste be therfore considered / if we maie holde this wett eele by the mouthe. The Adm. saithe / in the primitiue church no minister vvas placed in the congregation but by consente off the people, but novve that authoritie is giuen to the bishoppes handes alone: the D. answereth by the place off Timothe / and Titus. Now this beinge a commaundement / and by his iudgement both directed onely to Tim. and Tit. and to them as bishoppes: yt followeth that he hath taught ⟨p. CCLXVI⟩/ that Sainct Paule commaundeth that they / and in them all bishoppes / shoulde onely chuse. Wherby are condemned all election by the church / as those which haue intruded vppon the bishoppes possession.